My apologies to Michael Calvin for my earlier remarks. While I seriously question the self-righteousness of many cavalier protestors on all sides of the war issue, it has been pointed out to me off-list that Mr. Calvin indeed has a background and experiences that qualify him for my respect over his stated position. He's paid some dues, experience counts, and I'll give credit where it's due. I was too hasty with my remarks. Sorry Michael.
Michael Hohmann > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Michael Hohmann > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:19 AM > To: Michelle Gross; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Mpls] Demonstrations and the role of police > > > Michael Cavlin posts: > > > I am proud to name myself as one > > of the 68 > > people arrested outside the Federal Building March 25th. I was arrested > > with fellow Nurses, Teachers and Students. It is called active Civil > > Disobedience. We know who we are. We are the people who "illegally" hid > > Jews and others in Germany from 1936-45. We "illegally" broke the > > Jim Crowe > > Laws here in this country and we "illegally" ran the > Underground Railways > > during times of slavery. We know who we are and we are proud of it. > > What you been smokin boy? I think that loco weed's done gone > right to your > brain! And you better hope you don't come into any contact with 'normal' > criminals (the real bad boys), 'cause they'd likely clean your > clock before > you knew what time it was! And, remember to keep your head down > at the next > 'teach in'-- you can never be sure who's got you in their sights. And, > never assume they're rubber bullets! > > Michael Hohmann > Linden Hills > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > > Michelle Gross > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 6:20 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [Mpls] Demonstrations and the role of police > > > > > > Michael Cavlan asked me to post the following... > snip > > > > I have watched with some interest the talk of protests, permits and > > arresting and fining protestors. I am proud to name myself as one > > of the 68 > > people arrested outside the Federal Building March 25th. I was arrested > > with fellow Nurses, Teachers and Students. It is called active Civil > > Disobedience. We know who we are. We are the people who "illegally" hid > > Jews and others in Germany from 1936-45. We "illegally" broke the > > Jim Crowe > > Laws here in this country and we "illegally" ran the > Underground Railways > > during times of slavery. We know who we are and we are proud of it. > > > snip > > ...well I must agree with Michelle Gross, I would > > feel much safer with no police presence. Catholics in northern Ireland > > understand what the police are for, Trade Union activists know what the > > police are for, activists for Social Justice all over the world > know what > > the police are for, the underserved communities of Minneapolis know what > > the police are for and it is certainly not our protection. > Police are for > > the protection of the interests of the elite, the wealthy, the > > "middle-class". > > > > Now, returning to arrests of protestors I must share my > experience. After > > being arrested we were bussed into Hennepin County Jail. There > > this rabble > > of mainly white, middle-class activists were fingerprinted, photographed > > and questioned and then placed in holding cells. There we came > > into contact > > with "normal" criminals. Or as the authorities in northern Ireland call > > them ODC Ordinary, Decent Criminals. At this point the jail > > became nothing > > more than a University of Radicalization. We all talked and shared our > > various perspectives and experiences. Jails have always served > > this purpose > > from Civil Rights days in the 50-60's, to Ireland, South Africa and > > elsewhere. The experience at Hennepin was no different. > Teach-Ins are now > > being planned at various coffee shops in the Lake St/Park Ave district. > > > snip > > ...As a member of the Counter Propanda Coalition fighting > > corporate media bias (the editors and owners of corporate > media, not some > > of the noble journalists with integrity being shut out) I was in > > charge of > > obtaing a permit for our first rally. Others in the progressive movement > > had already made the decision to refuse permits but since we > were new and > > wanted everything to be kosher at the insistence of some of our > > members we > > decided to apply. What a nightmare... > snip > > ...We went ahead without a permit. Our rally, charging > > corporate media with complicity in propagandizing the war and > > shutting out > > the views of us, the Anti-War and Social Justice crowd was a success. > > > snip > > > > Michael Cavlan RN > > St Louis Park Green Party > > Counter Propaganda Coalition > > Flying Pickets > > Corporate Media, Corporate War > > Time To Do The Math > > > > > TEMPORARY REMINDER: > 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. > 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. > > ________________________________ > > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn > E-Democracy > Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. 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