On 6/29/03, "Dyna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> My condolences to you on imminent demise of your Green Party, and I
> share your grief. The merger of the Farmer Labor and Democratic party
> was not without some angst either. My grandfather carried a grudge
> against Humprey for years, but ultimately the happy warrior did the
> Farmer Laborites proud.

I'm not sure where this latest hallucination (fantasy?) of Dyna's comes from
but the Greens are not going away anytime soon. Sorry Dyna, but while the
Democrats continue their slide towards irrelevancy, the Greens are
continuing to grow. In the past two years, we've seen the number of Green
elected officials double nationwide. We're running more candidates, getting
more votes and growing our party's budget every year. That doesn't sound
like a party in demise to me.
   
> Mark, just because someone does not reply to a post does not mean that
> you have won the debate. You forget that some of us have lives beyond
> this Minneapolis Issues list.

And sometimes it just means someone has finally figured out that all their
points have been effectively refuted.
  
> Math, geometry, and physics have seemed to be weak points for the
> Greens. 

I think Greens struggle less with math and physics than some individuals
struggle with the concept of providing evidence to support their position.

> The buses currently running on this route are single unit types
> with one  of two axles driven with about 60% of the weight on the drive
> wheels and they get up the hill OK. A BRT route will host articulated
> buses at the minimum, and these bigger buses still only have one drive
> axle of their 3 and about 40% of the weight on the drive wheels. Being
> a bridge surface this chunk of Lowry ices up easily, and ice has a
> coefficent of friction of from .05 to .15. The grade on this bridge
> looks like at least 6%- I'll let you do the maths. There is also some
> question if the articulated buses can handle the combination of a sharp
> turn and a grade transition to make the turn from Lowry to Washington-
> articulated buses have limited ability to make these manuevers.

Can anyone confirm that a "A BRT route will host articulated  buses at the
minimum" - when I checked out www.northwestcorridor.org, I saw graphic
depictions of both articulated and single-unit buses. My closest experience
with something resembling BRT has been with the transit way between the U of
MN East Bank and St. Paul campuses. They used some articulated buses,
particularly during the State Fair park and ride runs, but mostly used
single-unit.

While I don't have a huge amount of faith in most transportation engineers
in Minnesota, I do think (hope?) there's got to be someone among all the
ones working on this BRT route who could figure out that an articulated bus
wouldn't work well on Lowry and so would either conclude that Lowry is a bad
route or that if Lowry is used, that single-unit buses are the way to go?

However, I also noticed that Smith-Parker is somehow involved in this
Northwest Corridor BRT project. For some reason, that makes me very afraid.

Mark Snyder
Windom Park

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