They ain't all gone yet, but the erosion is obvious. The historic West 7th district in St. Paul has become a mini-strip of sports bars and some restaurants and a good number of the old antique shops and other businesses in the vicinity are dropping away - precisely the way it went with the Target Center's vicinity. I didn't say what is remaining is valueless, but it's rapidly becoming that way when sister operations drop away, that keeps the non-sports fans away from a once-thriving segment of downtown.
Quit twisting the rhetoric. What the Metrodome neighborhood will not do ever again is thrive, save for some bars. The chaos created before and after games is a climate few, if any, residents would want to live in the shadow of...and haven't. The record is clear. The question isn't whether a stadium is of no use whatsoever, but that it's placement accommodate the traffic with the understanding that 99% of the fans exit the area completely, leaving little but a trail of trash behind them. Also, not a dime of public money should be spent of carving out that much valuable space for a professional sports operation unless there's no hope for renovation without it. Andy Driscoll Saint Paul -------- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:47:11 EDT > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Mpls] Stadum; > > In a message dated 10/18/03 1:16:44 PM Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << The chaos surrounding professional > sports fan behavior sickens the society, but worse, ruins surrounding > properties rendering them valueless. >> > > That's a hell of a statement. You mean the warehouse district and nearby > downtown properties are valueless due to Target Center? All the new > restaurants and clubs surrounding Excel jumped into business to sicken > society? The > Metro Dome neighborhood is going to go up in hellfire after tomorrow's Vikings > game? Please elucidate. > > On this theme, I really wonder how many of the posters on this issue are > even marginal sports fans. Please correct me if I'm wrong but my estimate > would be in the range of nil and none. There seems to be an anti-sports sub > theme > going here. > > Personally, if any manner of user tax plus owner payment could be worked > out, I'd love to go to Twins games in an outdoor park downtown. I'd at least > double my current attendance (I'd go to twenty or thirty games a year). I know > lots of fans that would do the same. > > Jon Gorder > Loring Park > REMINDERS: > 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. > 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. > ________________________________ > > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls > REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
