I agree that picturing LA as anything but the opposite of a highly dense urban area is hard to swallow. But looking around, they are indeed one of the most dense urban areas in the US. For example, according the anti-sprawl folks at Smart Growth America only New York City, Jersey City, and San Franciso are more dense.
- Allen Graetz Prospect Park Smart Growth America http://www.smartgrowthamerica.com/sprawlindex/chart.pdf USA Today : http://www.usatoday.com/news/sprawl/ The Los Angeles metropolitan area has a population of 16 million and seems sprawling to many. But if the Atlanta metro area (pop. 3.8 million) had as many people as Los Angeles and the same population density Atlanta has now, it would occupy many more square miles than Los Angeles does. That point is reflected in the sprawl index scores for the two metros. Los Angeles has a score of 78, which is even lower than metropolitan New York's (82), which is known for its skyscraper-studded downtown. Atlanta has a sprawl index score of 392. Thoreau Institute : http://www.ti.org/citydata.xls -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Rosenberg Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 11:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] lrt costs, delays, potential Bruce Gaarder >Los Angeles, [one of?] the most densely populated urbanized areas . . . (Me: this is how I assume the quote was meant to read) That's enough of a quote for me. Stop. Enough. Los Angeles is not even CLOSE to being one of the most densely populated urbanized areas. >Look also at what goes on in the rest of the world. Visit >http://www.demographia.com/rac-ix.htm for a sample. It starts getting suspicious after a while. Do any of you anti-transit people care to sight any other source than Peter O'Toole? Maybe it's just me, but his work seems just a tad biased. It also seems that, if you can't give me a source other than Peter O'Toole or Ken Avidor, maybe there isn't actually so much data to back up your claims. Please, if you have it . . . hit me. --Jeff Rosenberg Cedar/Riverside . . . Let them ride cake. REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
