Keith says; I have waited many years,,, monitoring, plotting. At my lonely keyboard with my bloodshot eyes reflecting in this obsolete monitor (blah blah, etc.). Haven't the gratuitous offerings on this thread moved far away from Mpls. specific? So far that David is now critiquing smoking research studies in choral counterpoint to Victoria. Even Jesus' name was invoked; or was that a different recent thread? This topic, tobacco, appears harder to quit then the substance itself. I object, and not to the actual matter; proposed smoking bans in Mpls. Rather, it is the other, meandering discussion, that I protest. Me thinks, and it doth appear, Mr. B. actually has been allowing Jim Graham to rule on relevancy of List members' tobacco submissions. I think it IS time to quit. In a related matter I have formulated a "patch" to help me quit reading tobacco postings here. I put it over my eyes. It has helped me with my television habit, too.
Keith Reitman I hate tobacco NearNorth _________________________________________>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 2 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:47:43 GMT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] I knew it! Smokers LIVE LONGER To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vicky writes: > I always wondered why NO ONE would ever disclose the average age of > "smoke-related" deaths. Now I know. > > According to the U. S. Department of Health and Human Services, the life > expectancy in the U. S. has hit an all time high of 76.9 years. > > http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2001pres/20011010.html > > According to surveys funded by the federal government, a 60 year old > female > smoker will live to be 84.2 years old and a 60 year old male smoker will > live to be 78.1 years old. > > http://www.forces.org/evidence/carol/carol8.htm Ok, first off, the first study is different from the second one so they shouldn't be compared. Next: the second citation is from the "Smoker's Rights Action group" (thanks for the link, Vicky). They don't link to the data they critique, or cite a source for the quote they dispute. Finally, even considering source bias, the data they trumpet shows smokers die an average of 7 years earlier than non-smokers in all categories. Don't think that's an argument against a smoking ban...unless you've got an average of 7 years you're willing to cede. David Brauer Kingfield REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
