Public places are those such as government facilities, parks, public schools, etc. Private businesses are not public places. They are private property, wherein you are a guest. You do not have a right to be made comfortable in a private establishment simply because you choose to enter. Owners and their patrons should be able to freely associate, choose with whom to associate and transact business under circumstances which are mutually agreeable. Therefore, some owners would cater to a smoking clientelle and others would cater to a non-smoking clientelle. The result: Choices. Freedom. Not every bar has to be sanitized to a point that no one would be offended going there (like the joints in the 'burbs -shudder-). I avoid lots of bars because they have elements I dislike. Those that enjoy those places, though... I say good for them. Knock yourselves out. I'm glad we have variety in Minneapolis.
Hey, bars would be safer, and less stinky if they didn't serve that pesky alchohol, too (don't laugh Malaysia just banned alchohol in bars) And, alchohol is way more deadly and destructive than tobacco. Look at the great harm done to thousands and thousands of families by alchoholism. Oh, and turn the music down, it's damaging my ears. And, for heaven's sake, don't let people wear cologne, or perfume in bars. Really sets off my allergies. Deodorant too. I do not happen to agree with our current drug laws. They are a ridiculous disaster on a grander scale than prohibition. Prison for recreational drug use absolutely is fascist. I say this even though I dislike illicit drugs, and wouldn't use them myself. Now, Jazz, though. That's music that's been shown to make people insane. Makes kids into sexual deviants, and turns law abiding citizens into pot-smoking beatnick anarchists. Should never be performed in public. Keep it in your home. The idea that ETS, or STS is harmful has been largely debunked by reputable scientists, untainted by policitcal agenda, and predetermined outcomes. Everyone's freedom for your comfort. Dan McGrath Longfellow http://www.smokeoutgary.org > Funny how another can perceive things so differently. So would you also > agree that it is considered fascist that illicit drugs such as > marijuana, cocaine, heroin etc. are made illegal? This ban does not > force anyone to stop, however, it does allow someone who does NOT smoke > be able for the first time not be exposed to 2nd hand smoke in public > places. Smoking is as addictive as any illicate drug, but smokers are > not being forced to quit. This would actually be more like what you > define as fascism, but this is about lowering the health risk that > smokers place on the larger population of nonsmokers. Personally, I - as > an individual - can't wait until March when I can go to a good jazz bar > and don't have to have be individually exposed to someone else's > "substance abuse". My health for your slight inconvenience. > > Liz Greenbaum REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
