I felt like someone ought to weigh in as a skeptic about these new voting schemes. There are a bunch of reasons why I'm not enthralled with the idea of IRV (and even less by proportional representation):
1. It seems to me that a lot of people want IRV because they feel like voting should be some kind of act of self-expression, rather than a political decision-making process. I used to be more gung-ho for extreme positions, and even voted for some third party candidates in the past. But these days I'm more appreciative of the fact that voting is meant to be part of political decision-making and that even voting requires compromises. Seems like compromise is becoming a dirty word in our political discourse these days, but I don't think that's a good thing. 2. I'm skeptical of the claims that this is somehow going to provide a magical solution to voting problems. Somewhat akin to point number 1, are we asking too much of voting systems? For a while now, there have been results in the economics literature that show that voting schemes are ALL going to have some problem somewhere. This isn't a problem that you can work around --- it's a mathematical fact (Arrow's theorem). Yet still we see people suggesting that some new voting fix is going to make everything great (I'm thinking of Lani Guinear, if anyone still remembers her...). Not to say that you can't have better and worse voting schemes; but you'll never have a perfect one. 3. I'm worried about the outcome on bottom-of-the-ballot issues. These are issues where there are often very, very few voters, and we ALREADY have the possibility of bad outcomes when apathy is combined with a strong-willed minority. What happens when we add to this the problem of people voting in a self-expression style, implicitly expecting that their votes will be moderated in a run-off, but there is no run-off, because the turnout is so low? 4. How much is this going to cost, anyway? Don't we have bigger problems, with another staggering budget deficit in the offing? Best, Robert -- Robert P. Goldman ECCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls