If folks could stick to Minneapolis-specific issues here that would be appreciated.
To talk national issues, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steven Clift E-Democracy.Org Steven Clift http://publicus.net Via my mobile phone/e-mail Mobile: 612.203.5181 -----Original Message----- >From: "WizardMarks"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: 22-Dec-04 8:14:29 PM >To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]> >Cc: "Brian Hanf"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Mpls] Re: separation of church and state > > > >Brian Hanf wrote: > >>I agree with you except you missed the mark on the 1st >>amendment: .... How does a marriage license relate to an establishment >>of religion? You don?t have to join, be a member of, or even have a >>religion to get married. >> >> >WM: If marriage is only legal for instances of heterosexuals wanting to >partner, then the state imposes a religious notion on the citizens, thus >breaching the separation of church and state. So one can hardly leave >the first amendment out, since it's a very good amendment. My position >is that allowing only heterosexual couples to marry violates the first >amendment big time. > >>Unless there is a religion that marries GLBT couples >>that requires them to get a license from their >>?country/state? for the religious union to be made >>complete your not prohibiting the exercise of >>religion. >> >M: One apparently still has to have a license in order to marry. For the >legitimate purposes of the state, people would have to apply for a joint >household or something to signal a change in status. To date, a civil >marriage requires a justice of the peace; however, the state allows >churches/synagogues/mosques/temples to substitute for the JP. This, too, >breaches the separation. > >WizardMarks, Central >REMINDERS: >1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL >PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. >2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. > >For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html >For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract >________________________________ > >Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy >Post messages to: mailto:[email protected] >Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls > > REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[email protected] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
