Speeding through an intersection on a yellow, but hitting the red..... or running through an intersection on a red, when the oppsoing traffic has a green light, is not an "accident." It is not an "unwanted event." In fact, it's a "wanted event." It is an intentional, willful, and volitional act that many Minneapolis drivers engage in. It certainly is not an "accident." Geeez.
Red light cameras will put drivers on notice that running red lights is not an option, and is an expensive proposition. I guess, in reading Mr. McGerik's post in it's entireity, it is up to me to do everything in my power to proceed ever-so-cautiously through the intersection on a green light, rather than have the expectation that anyone should actually STOP on the red light. My bad. How silly of me. Logic like that should have a red-light camera on it.And the burglary analogy is not apt, either. Mike Thompson Windom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott McGerik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mpls List Issues" <[email protected]> Cc: "Barbara Lickness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Mpls] Still Not A Real Minneapolis Problem > Barb, > > Accidents happen. Try to collect from the person that hit your car. > But, really, how would a red light camera or anything else have > prevented your car from getting hit (except maybe if you had not parked > on the street)? As you said, "Did anyone honestly think not being able > to get a license would prevent them from trying to drive?" > > My message is not about blaming the victim. My message is about > accepting the fact that unwanted events happen and that no laws will > prevent that. Only our viligence might. "Might" is the keyword. > > And regarding "stop[ing] and proceed[ing] slowly through a green light > to ensure no one will ... run a red light and hit us", I do it every > day. And, my house was burglarized twice when I lived in Minneapolis, > so, don't talk down to me about "blaming the victim." Like I said, > accidents happen. Rather, in this case, crime happens. After I was > burglarized, I modified my house to be more burglar-proof. Had I known > the perps who burglarized my house, I would have went after them, but I > didn't and don't. And as frustrating as that is, I know that no law > against burglary would have prevented it. To this day, I don't believe > that appealing to the "authorities" for more laws will protect my house > from being burglarized (or from my car from being clobbered by an > undocumented drunk resident of Blaine). > > Scott. > formerly of Minneapolis, now in So St Paul. > > REMINDERS: > 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. > > 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. > > For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html > For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract > ________________________________ > > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > Post messages to: mailto:[email protected] > Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls > > REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[email protected] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
