This is a misrepresentation and slander of most people's motives to want to ban smoking. My own motive is SELFISH - I (ME, D.S.) don't want PERSONALLY to have to put up with godawful smoke. Personal. Selfish. For me. I want it for ME.
And that is where most other people start. I also want if for all the other people who want it for themselves. People can smoke as much as they want, as long as it is not near me or anyone else who doesn't want it near them. A lot of people HATE being in dense cigarette smoke. Personally. for themselves. Of course, if you're for smoking, or for Big Tobacco, or corporate dictatorship, then you're likely to make up the nastiest sounding motive possible for the anti-amoking people and ban. David Shove selfish in Roseville On Sat, 2 Apr 2005, Michael Atherton wrote: > Robert Lilligren wrote: > > > The place was full. Many people, including two smokers, > > commented on how nice it was to be able to breathe cleaner > > air. One smoker said, "This will probably help me quit > > smoking," which is, I believe, the objective of the ban activists. > > This goal, and the people who support it, are soooooo narrow > minded that they can't tell the difference between oppression > and freedom. > > "I will lead you to Jesus and Salvation." A goal that throughout > history has been the "intended good" used to torture, persecute, > and kill millions of innocent people. A well intended goal > does not justify ignoring the beliefs and desires of others. > Isn't that what multiculturalism is about? Honoring the customs > and desires of others? At least now that they've won, smoking > opponents are being honest about their true intentions: to Save us > from ourselves. I hope that everyone see the parallels between this > and dunking, public humiliation in the stocks, and witch burning, all > practiced by our Puritan ancestors for the "good" of their victims. > I'm sure that they honest felt that they, just as the anti-smoking > advocates do, that they are helping others. I would hope that rational > people can see that ANYTHING can be justified in the name of helping > "purify" others against their will. At least the Nazis never > bothered to rationalize the Holocaust as being for the good of > their victims. It's very scary to know that one of our city > council members is ignorantly promoting such "intended good." > > Jim Graham wrote: > > > American Indian people have always been welcoming to all people, > > (there would not be the present immigration problem if Indian > > people had tightened immigration laws four hundred years ago). > > There is a popular mythology that follows Rousseau's concept of > the natural man that assumes that Native Americans lived peacefully > before they were corrupted by the evil influences of the White > man. It is just a myth. Native Americans were no more peaceful > than the Europeans who subjugated them. > > Michael Atherton > Prospect Park > > > > > > REMINDERS: > 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. > If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL > PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. > > 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. > > For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html > For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract > ________________________________ > > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn > E-Democracy > Post messages to: mailto:[email protected] > Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls > REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[email protected] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
