I've been following the businesses that have been benefiting from the ban. That is good. However, there are businesses that were crushed last week-end. Many of the neighborhood bars in Northeast Minneapolis suffered major financial loses. It is really important that people behind the marketing to get non-smokers out focus on more than just the trendy places. The Dakota was already smoke-free. Let's get some people into the small neighborhood joints where businesses are currently in danger. Walk the talk and spend some money. Start a non-smoking dart league. If you're a non-smoker, learn to bowl.
If businesses start to go under, the ban will be revised, just as it was in Duluth. If the ban is to stay, non-smokers have to do a lot more than buy a beer once per month at Chino Latino. People have got to get out. Jeremy Wieland Northeast Candidate, 3rd Ward City Council www.jeremywieland.blogs.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Taylor Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:00 AM To: Dan; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mpls Forum' Subject: RE: [Mpls] Smoking ban night 2 Your list also seems to be a bit out of date: Tejas 800 Nicollet Mall That was in the Conservatory which was torn down years ago. One non-smoking local missing from the list is the Bryant Lake Bowl. The claim that virtually all bars in Minneapolis are restaurant/bars needs to be challenged with a visit to NE MPLS. Sure you may be able to get things to eat, snacky crap like chips and peanuts and perhaps a choice of pizzas but I I would not say virtually all bars in Minneapolis are such. Over half of sales coming from food is one good barometer. Tom Taylor Sheridan -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dan Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mpls Forum' Subject: Re: [Mpls] Smoking ban night 2 Liz wrote: "just for the record there are no bars on this list" Absolutely NOT true. Many are bar/restaurants (virtually all bars in Minneapolis are). Martini Blu springs to mind. When presented facts which undermine your position, your response is to stoop to outright lying? Typical of ban supporters, I suppose. Facts, science and freedom are obstacles easily discarded "for the public good." Also note, my list is not comprehensive, and includes only businesses in the Minneapolis city limits. >From that limited list only, the following pre-ban smoke-free establishments are/have bars: Arcadia Cafe http://www.acadiacafe.com/ Bobino Cafe &Wine Bar http://www.bobino.com/main/main.htm (full bar) Broders http://www.broders.com/pasta-bar/wine-list.html Cav� Vin (wine bar) Chipotle (full bar, surprizingly enough) http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/stories/1999/03/01/story8.html Corner Table http://www.cornertablerestaurant.com/wine.htm (seperate non-smoking bar area) Da Afghan Express (serve alchohol - not sure if it is/has a bar) D'Amico & Sons http://www.mplshappyhour.com/bars_detail.php?bar=251 Edina Grill http://www.edinagrill.com/about.htm El Meson (serve drinks - not sure about the bar) http://www.elmeson-mn.com/ Famous Dave's http://www.famousdaves.com/restaura.cfm (full bar) First Course Giorgio (bar & lounge) http://www.mplshappyhour.com/bars_detail.php?bar=100 Kafe 421 http://www.kafe421.com/musicevents.htm Lucia's Restaurant & Wine Bar Maria's http://www.mariascafe.com/index.htm Martini Blu http://www.martiniblu.com/ Oddfellows http://www.oddfellowsrestaurant.com/ Palomino http://www.palomino.com/index.php?cook=1&locations=Minneapolis Pizza Nea http://www.mplshappyhour.com/bars_detail.php?bar=6 Sapor Cafe & Bar http://www.mplshappyhour.com/bars_detail.php?bar=180 Soba's http://www.mplshappyhour.com/bars_detail.php?bar=124 Let me also add to the list: Loring Grill, which has a full service bar, http://www.tcdine.com/restaurants/loring_grill_minneapolis.htm, The Craftsman Restaurant & Bar http://www.craftsmanrestaurant.com The Longfellow Grill - Full bar (pretty sure was non-smoking, but never visited) Bon Appetit (live music, drinks, no smoking) SE Mpls. Non-smokers have had loads of options for smoke-free venues. Greed has resulted in all for them, none for us, even if it means closing "our" places down rather than let concenting adults expose themselves to smoke. My retired widower neighbor now drives to Burnsville for breakfast, when he used to go to a local grille. My next pub visit won't be Molly Quinns (sorry! I liked the place, but I like my smokes with my Guiness). It will be the Dubliner. There's no way I'll return to First Avenue as long as the ban is in place. As a club with a cover, they don't allow re-entry. My once favorite night-spot now sucks. Hope all you anti-smokers get out there for techno DJs and punk rock this weekend! I'll be in St. Paul. Dan McGrath Longfellow http://www.subversivepictures.com http://www.smokeoutgary.org REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. 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