[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stop! Ed's right, I got some details wrong. It is hard to give up the notion that Martha Roth interviewed the prostituted women, since I know that would be a difficult job. Prostituted women, of the pavement princess variety at least, are seldom forthcoming. From Susan Brownmiller I know nothing. From the dictionary, I got the definition of rape. From pondering and experience I came up with the notion that what was stolen in a rape was the right to be an independently functioning human being, the "soul", if you will.Ed Felien writes:
"But, if I may tempt effrontery to the point of arrogance and try to further decipher Wizard Marks' mind, I think the basic argument she is making is the one first posited by Susan Brownmiller in Against Our Will. That ovacular work (seminal seems out of place) defines rape as standing between theft and assault. It may be the work Mr. Kahn was so disparagingly referring to when he talked of outdated feminist notions.
My post, attempting Mpls. specificity, said that women and children, particularly, but men as well, cannot necessarily feel "safe" from rape even in their own homes. So Graham's post, rambling at length that we need to make neighborhoods safe against rape, is not possible. However, there are, of course, ways to make yourself less vulnerable, which is much better than wearing a sign saying, "Victimize me, I'm a ditz." Graham's right in that respect.
Your point being that the urge to rape is from the lizard brain, that same little nodule which controls our desire for food and safety, fight or flight. Could very well be. What difference does it make in Mpls.? How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? And, why is there air?"Does that help?"
Bill Kahn gives up:
it is behavior that springs from billions of years of evolution. I tend to disparage work that has no basis in fact, and, unfortunately, the field is full of it.
The feminist notion--it's about power,-- is not opposite to 'it's about sex.' Our lizard brain, maybe also our id (one guy called it that), does want power. Our lizard brain wants everything it wants when it wants it and don't you get in the way, buddy. In order to have anything we can laughingly call civilization, we make a point of two things: one, we outlaw rape as a crime against some members of the society; two, we point to those outside the in group as acceptable victims. If the feminists did anything, they did assert that such behavior was counter productive, not civilizing and that rape appeared to be one of the pillars of our society. Put that in your id pipe and smoke it! was the tone of the discourse, or else it was numbingly pedantic. A few went so far as to suggest, not quite jokingly, that the punishment for rape should be cutting off the offenders' dingle dangles. That talk became especially noticeable in the crowd of brazen hussies I ran with after Mary Ziggenhagen, once a columnist for the Trib, mentioned in print that men at the Trib were swanning around calling themselves "weenie waggers."
However, in the day to day going about one's life, the point is still that women and children are safe from rape nowhere, so have a care for yourself. Don't relax just cause you're not in Phillips. Men are unsafe from rape in prison, gangs, scouts, various seminaries, men's academies, including the armed services, English public schools, American private schools, and many another venue.
Does that help? Or are we just clownin'?
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