Out here in Roseville the present mayor ran on a platform OPPOSING a huge Twin Lakes misdevelopment. It was an issue; people voted for him because they did NOT want it. As soon as he was elected, he was for it, making the 3-2 majority that is ramming it thru the council, citizen objections and standard procedures and past master plans be damned.
It is the power of the developers. One way or another, the rich are going to get our money and our land and our possessions, no matter what we or democracy say. Arrogant lawlessness. We can hand it to them today or we can hand it to them tomorrow. The black hats rule. Until we get into the streets. --David Shove Roseville On Tue, 10 May 2005, Anderson & Turpin wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of David Greene > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 1:16 PM > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Mpls] RE: Stadia > > Anderson & Turpin (that's me) wrote: > > > Continuously for the last ten years, it seems that a majority of the > > politicians in the state want the public to build a stadium, even as the > > majority of voters have felt otherwise. This is even politicians that > we've > > voted for partially because of their positions not to build these > edifices, > > such as Rybak. I've been trying to figure this out, and the only thing I > > can come up with is that the stadium is more valuable to the big shots > than > > it is to the rest of us. > > David Greene replied: > So the question, of course, is, "why do you keep voting for them?" Is > it possible that other issues are more important to most citizens than > the stadium, to the degree that they'll vote for pro-stadium legislators > because of a stand on a more important issue? This is healthy politics, > not a power grab. > > If everyone is so against a stadium, I haven't seen it at the polls. > > Mark Anderson replies back: > Well, it's hard not to vote for them when they change their minds after the > election. As I stated above, I believe Rybak was elected partially because > he seemed to be against spending taxpayer dollars on large projects that > only had indirect benefits to the people in the city. It was SSB's support > for many of these projects that led to the end of her regime. So we DID > vote against them, but it didn't seem to have any effect. I don't know how > you missed this. It seems that once a politician is elected, he/she sees > that it is in his/her interest to support a stadium, so his or her mind > changes. > > Of course there is also the fact that running the city involves much more > than opining on a stadium, so voters will consider many other issues than > the stadium, just as you suggested. If the voters agree with one candidate > on 5 out of 10 issues, and another one on 7 out of 10 issues, presumably > they'll vote for the latter, even though the elected candidate will act > against the majority in 3 out of 10 cases. Another good reason to have > initiative and referendum -- it allows the majority of people to be in > charge more often than does a strictly representative one. I think we > should maximize the number of people who agree with the government's > actions. The stadium issue is just the most obvious case where the people's > wishes are ignored. > > Mark V Anderson > Bancroft > > > REMINDERS: > 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. > If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL > PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. > > 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. > > For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html > For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract > ________________________________ > > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn > E-Democracy > Post messages to: mailto:[email protected] > Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls > REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[email protected] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
