--- George Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone betting there will be dirty tricks shortly
> before the November election could not be charged
> with gambling. It's a sure thing. A lock.
>
It's called an October Surprise in politics and its
usually something that comes at the very end. No
particular party owns this tactic as all use it on
every level and have done so for decades. Its not
Minneapolis specific.
>
> For 40 years, since that upstart Charles Stenvig an
> independent, defeated the powerful DFL candidate for
> mayor, any Independent, Green, Republican or minor
> DFL'r who became too powerful or close to the money,
> has been squashed by any means necessary to assure
> his/her defeat.
Upstart Charles Stenvig? He was a conservative old
school law and order cop that brought some very
controversal and failed police policies that
introduced even more divide to changing times.
In 1971 his DFL opponent happened to be one of the
most honorable and honored citizens of Minneapolis, an
African American named Harry Davies. I don't know
what the DFL did to try and squash Stenvig's campaign,
but Davis' family had to have FBI protection and
escort everywhere they went. Senators Humphrey and
Mondale chose to campaign wth him in Northeast Mpls
neighborhoods where the opposition was physical and
potentially deadly.
That 'upstart' Stenvig really had to dodge the
powerful DFL squashing machine. Poor guy.
>
> Does anyone really believe it was necessary or even
> prudent to exercise a federal search warrant of a
> sitting council person five days before a primary
> election? If evidence and justice were truly being
> sought, a search AFTER the election would most
> certainly result in more incriminating evidence. If
> the council person was the primary winner and he was
> influenced by bribes, those seeking favors would be
> lined up with cash in hand. Indisputable proof of
> his guilt. This was not the case. Why would
> professional, experienced investigators jeopardize
> their case with premature public knowledge of their
> investigation?
Does anybody think the FBI gives a hoot about local
politics? Or, federal code violations?
I would gander that they went public with the
information they have because they're pretty sure of
their case. Considering that as you put it, they are
professional and experienced investigators.
Is there proof otherwise?
They say they have video and plenty of audio along
with sworn witnesses.
>
>
> Look to those who would gain by eliminating a Green
> candidate. His opponent? Sure. All other
> candidates being opposed by Greens, by implication?
> Sure. The sitting mayor's opponent, again by
> implication? Sure. Would any of these be privy to
> the FBI's investigation, doughtful? Would any of
> these be powerful enough to influence the timing of
> the execution of a Federal search warrant? No...who
> would?
The only ones to gain by eliminating a Green candidate
would be the candidates opponent. In this case, the
opponent was never really an entrenched insider to the
DFL.
Let me be clear on what you are suggesting.
Are you saying the Robert Lilligren and Peter
Mclaughlin are the one who gain? They are ones you are
leading us to look at.
I suggest that you ask Zimmerman did he really get
caught doing it.
>
>
> As a professional courtesy, many times when a
> Federal investigation is underway, the local law
> enforcement agencies are advised.
Since when? Not if that 'heads up' could affect their
case. I would think when it involves city officials
and federal charges, that until the depth of the case
is known, they wouldn't contact city cops. Maybe the
cheif will get a heads up.
I noticed you used the qualifier 'many times'. That's
not all the time and doesn't indicate standard policy.
> Would the
> Minneapolis police chief be advised? Not likely.
> Too close to the mayor. Too close to the subject.
> Would the Hennepin County sheriff be advised?
> Possibly, but what would he, with a "job for life",
> gain by suggesting the timing of the execution of a
> search warrant on a Minneapolis politician?
The Cheif probably knew.
The sheriff is not a life time job, he's up for
re-election next year.
Federal charges. Federal judge signs the warrant for
federal law enforcement agents to follow through,
under the watchful eye of the federal attornies. So
its a federal judge working with the U.S. Attorneys
office and the FBI. Where does the city jurisdiction
come in? Or county?
> How
> about the Hennepin County Attorney? What would she
> gain? Nothing, as the HC Attorney but how about in
> running for a higher, federal office? It would be
> far more helpful to her to be guaranteed the
> endorsement of a newly elected Minneapolis mayor and
> former Hennepin County Commissioner than a possible,
> lukewarm, endorsement by the incumbent mayor who
> fell in disfavor with the DFL machine when he upset
> their darling, Sharon.
And eight years before that Sharon upset DFL uber
player John Derus. Its a cycle that if you hang around
long enough you see that its not personal and can
hardly be orchestrated into a contrived conspiracy.
So Amy Klobucher is in on this too? Not that Amy needs
any help carrying a significant chunk of Minneapolis,
but I do remember her and RT Rybak side by side many
times working together for the John Kerry effort here.
> I merely offer this scenario as a topic for
> discussion. It certainly makes more sense than
> believing two FBI agents sat around saying to each
> other, "let's have a little fun with the Minneapolis
> primary election and execute this search warrant
> just before the election".
>
You make some pretty heavy allegations and charges
here with nothing but smoke and your personal distaste
for the DFL to back it up.
Somebody has to claim that there is a federal crime
happening. A federal judge, us attorney and the FBI
have to follow a process with standards to make this
happen. None of those people are elected.
Are you going to publicly apologoze to Amy, Peter and
Robert? Or, are you going to put forth proof behind
your statements?
Eric Mitchell
Saint Paul-(its not an issue)
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