Lenief, I can't even begin to tell you how much your letter means to 
me!  

I honestly don't know for sure, but my guess is that Ken Avidor is 
still friends with Mark Knapp (although Ken and I are friends, we 
don't discuss Mark).  But I've never associated with Mark, so it's a 
bit of a mystery to me.  

I don't think you'll regret your vote for Robert, if you decide to go 
that way.  But do send him e-mails or call him when you've got a 
position on a City Council issue that you want him to consider:  he's 
still learning about environmental issues, and he welcomes the input.

Best,

Liz



On 31 Oct 2005 at 8:07, Lenief Heimstead wrote:

> Liz,
> 
> First, I agree with your thinking here.  I was one of three Greens who voted 
> at the 5CDGP endorsing convention against endorsing Dean this time.  He is 
> my own city council rep now, and I do not like many of his positions, nor do 
> I think they typically are Green.  I also am voting for Lilligren this time.
> 
> But more than that, I was appalled at the earlier e-mail putting you in a 
> group with Mark Knapp - I can't imagine where that could have come from.  
> Your response here is clear and strong.
> 
> In support,
> Lenief Heimstead
> 
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [email protected]
> >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: [Mpls] Flyer at Schiff/Bicking Forum
> >Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:53:00 -0500 (CDT)
> >
> >Perhaps I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that personal attacks
> >were "off limits" on this list.  Jenny Heiser's comments put me in the
> >rather awkward position of publicly defending myself.  Rather than
> >engaging in a personal counterattack, I'd prefer to explain why--as a
> >Green--I'm not supporting the Green-endorsed candidate in the 6th. Ward
> >Council race.
> >
> >First of all, I do indeed consider myself a Green, albeit one who decided
> >not to support Dean Zimmermann in this election.  As a Green, I felt
> >honored to serve on the state Green Party Coordinating Committee several
> >years ago (with none other than Cam Gordon and Jenny Heiser).  I have
> >voted for Greens consistently over the last few years, as well as working
> >for and donating to their campaigns.
> >
> >So why am I not supporting Dean Zimmermann in his bid for reelection?  I
> >simply do not agree with his position on several issues that are important
> >to me.
> >
> >Two years ago at a Fifth District meeting, I asked Dean publicly why he
> >was supporting the Access Project.  (Along with several other Greens, I
> >consider Dean's support for the project to be a violation of Green
> >principles.)  Fortunately, public discussion ensued, and Dean was
> >persuaded to change his mind.  Shortly thereafer, he voted against the
> >Access Project.
> >
> >He has since decided to remain "neutral" on the Access project.
> >
> >I was also disappointed to learn that Dean may be open to reconsidering
> >his support for the smoking ban.  Since I share the Green Party's
> >commitment to making decisions with the "seventh generation" in mind, I
> >find Dean's inattentiveness to clean air issues disturbing.
> >
> >I'm also concerned about his acceptance of campaign donations from
> >contractors and developers.  Although he is not running as a Green, Kevin
> >McDonald has decided to eschew donations from these groups.  I sincerely
> >wish all Green Party candidates would do the same.
> >
> >So am I a Green?  Aside from some phone banking I did for Paul Wellstone,
> >I have been consistently supportive of Green candidates for almost 10
> >years now.  Whether the Greens accept me as a Green is their choice (I do
> >not equate the Zimmermann campaign with all Greens). I will continue to
> >support the Green candidates I believe have remained faithful to a Green
> >vision I cherish.  I did not challenge Dean Zimmermann's endorsement by
> >the 5th. District Greens because I feared that doing so would be far more
> >injurious to the Party than simply making my own choices.
> >
> >And I have made my choice.  I am supporting Council Member Robert
> >Lilligren in this election, and I'm proud to say that I have volunteered
> >to work for his campaign.  I believe his position on the issues is far
> >closer to my own than is Dean Zimmerman's.
> >
> >As far as the "The Gang of Five" goes, that's truly the first I've heard
> >of this.  Most Greens who know me know that I do not care for Mark Knapp;
> >in fact, I've had absolutely nothing to do with him.  Bone-headed/careless
> >mistakes notwithstanding, Russell Raczkowski is my spouse of almost 23
> >years, and I love him deeply.  Ken Avidor is my friend.  As a feminist, I
> >take pride in the fact that I think for myself:  I do not let my male
> >friends or my spouse speak for me, and I do not speak for them.  They are
> >responsible for their own actions and opinions, just as I am responsible
> >for mine.
> >
> >Liz McLemore
> >Bancroft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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