>>Programs of other MSX can be only for starting. After that,
>>specific projects can be developed. That's all I say.
>Holy Faith you have....
>For when the first ones?
Oh, please. You are going arround the same theme. I DON'T
KNOW... or is this another retoric question? First step: build a
cheap Z380 MSX based. Second step: Use existing MSX programs.
Third step: Build specific programs for Z380.
And, as Laurens Holst says, a great advantage is that existing
MSX programs will go faster. Compilers, text editors, ... are
programs that run better on a fast computer.
>>>If we haven't been able to evolve the standard of
>>>development even to MSX2+ and 256K, are you telling me
>>>we'll jump directly to Z380 and MBytes? HA!
>>IMHO, the jump hasn't been possible because is difficult to
>>find a MSX2+.
>:OOOOOO
>If you were from former USSR states, or from countries with
>scarce MSX presence I'd agree, but at Holland (mainly
>upgraded MSX2->2+ there) or Spain (sold by LASP) not.
>Affordable or not is another discussion.
>Now it is neither difficult nor expensive to buy a MSX2+. Why
>don't you buy it? :?
Well. Personally, I will buy a Turbo R. But, in general, I think
that people don't buy a 2+ or a TR because the quality / price
ratio isn't as good as, for example, on the PC world. If MMSX
works, and is not expensive, then this ratio will be good.
>>MSX2+ and memory are difficult to find.
>:OOOOOOO
>Where have you been up to this date? Or have you chosen an
>incorrect verbal tense? :???
he he he... last 400 years I have been in my Transilvanian
castle. Now, it's time to return!!!
No, I haven't chosen an incorrect verbal tense. When I say it is
difficult, I say that it is more difficult than finding PC
SIMMS.
>[About being a hobby]
>Of course its development is a matter of hobby! No doubt!
>But to hobby or not to hobby... that's not the question... at
least
>in this case I am not discussing that. I am discussing a REAL
>utility (not an hypothetical one) of it. And his main developer
has
>the purpose for that Z380 to play a real role on MSX. And this
>won't happen. It could had happen it if were released before.
>But not now.
Well, I understand.
But we are turning to the same question. It will not play a
major role, ok. But, if his main developer don't works on it,
what will he do?! Nothing! You have said it: he doesn't works on
MegaSCSI because he wants do make a MMSX.
>Things like projects of a Prince of Persia look-alike games
have
>future. Software is the main track to follow.
I fully agree this words.
>Hasn't hardware any future? Not.
>Cheaper MegaSCSI/GPX9000/Moonsound (or compatible
>clones) could have future.
>Acrobat-ACCNet-RS232C SHOULD have future.
>A 512 Kbytes VRAM expansion -pageable, of course- COULD
>have future.
>Thingies like Goblin (2xV9958) could have future.
>And above all: the hardware developed by now SHOULD have
>future.
Wow! I also agree these words...
>>There are two options. First option: build a Z380 based MSX.
>>Second option: Nothing. Choose.
>Mmmh. Nothing...huh? I start to understand...
>So, V9958 -quoting you- is nothing. R800 or Z80 7MHz are
>nothing. DOS2.2 is nothing. 256 Kbytes built in the Music
>Module are nothing. Rs232, ACCNet and Acrobat are no more
>no less than nothing. 512 Kbytes, 1,2,4 Mbytes are nothing.
>And of course, either IDE or SCSI are just nothing. And
>GPX9000 and Moonsound??? Let me guess... Nothing? :)
>Dude, here you have a nice list of stuff which has been
>avalaible (now or in the past) and that in some cases have had
>few -very few- specific programmes.
>As you can see we're not starting from nothing.
Hmm... perhaps you must learn to read well, dude! When I say
NOTHING I say that if MMSX developers stop their project,
probably they will not do NOTHING. All those products you
mention are already build.
Well, because it seems you have problems for understanding my
*bad* english, I repeat:
If MMSX developers stops, then, probably, they will do _NOTHING_
for MSX. They want to make MMSX, not other things!!!
On the other hand, MMSX is not a sustitute of those products you
mention, it can be complemented by them. This is the sense of
MODULARITY!
>>>How many progs for GPX9000 lately?
>>Hei! I only say that you can put a GFX9000 for demonstrating
>>that GPX power will not be a problem!!!
>And I'm putting GFX9000 as an example for telling what will
>happen (hope not, but history tends to repeat).
>Take magazines from the time in which Moonsound and
>GPX9000 appeared. Everybody -even me, at least in the case
>of Moonsound- wowing about the excelence, the new views
>opened to MSX... And now? What about them? Ubi sunt?
Of course, there aren't much GFX9000. But, do you think they
have been a waste of time? Not! (I presume) Then, the same for
MMSX.
>>Well, then the problem isn't MMSX. MMSX only open some
>>doors. Let's use them!
>Programmers tend to be extremely standard when coding.
>At late 1992 started to code for MSX2+ (Do all you remind Dix
>and Megadoom?) and even something appeared for Turbo R
>(Swiss Demo and, Relax demo, the last one converted to
>MSX2, 'para mas inri').
>Then, everything stopped and returned to MSX2-128K-FM
>(MusMod optional).
Well, some doors have been opened, and nobody used them.
Also take in mind that a good thing of Z380 projects is that old
MSX programs run faster. That is, it doesn't limite, it expand
possibilities.
>>>They'll have to buy it, to learn about it, to test it, to
code it
>>>and to make a final product? How much time do you think
>>>they need? Years.
>>Of course. I can see this perfectly! I am not new in the
>>computer world!
>.....sigh.....
what do this mean, dude? I can send you my CV, if you want!
>And??? My last data about programming procedures on MSX
>show clearly that a programme has to be designed, typed and
>properly debugged by a human being.
Have you learned this yourself or somebody explained to to you?
:?
>I'm sure you are smart enough for guessing what happens when
>there are less graphicians, musicians and coders. And when the
>loss are talented guys.... sigh.
!!! What do you want?! Speak about a Z380 project or have a
fight with me!!! I say "and?" becase this is not related to our
theme. Do graphicians come if MMSX is not builded??? And
programmers???
Are you smart enough for understanding this?!
>>>The age of 'unlimited' growth of MSX passed years ago. And
>>>it won't return.
>>Certainly. I can see this perfectly.
>(no comment)
Confirmed: you don't want speak, you want a fight!!
>> Then, why don't evolve to a MMSX? It will be difficult,
but...
>Why not? Use a calculator. Both for calculating the -total-
price
>and an estimation of years to come until a nice programme will
>be developed.
No comment: You turn and turn arround the same theme.
Refreshing your memory:
All this started when I answer to a guy who asked what has
happened to the Z380 projects. I have sended an objective
message: "probably on Barcelona it will be a prototype", that
was all.
Then you started with lines like:
"are you smart enough..."
"dude, where have you been last years?..."
"I will be diplomatic, do you read magazines?"
Then, my question is: Are you like this always? Not only for
being pessimistic, also for your way of express your opinion, I
think you don't like MSX!!
Please, be polite!
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