Scott Guthery wrote: > The TCPA architecture and Global Platform finally got it right. The card holder > is the card issuer. > and >Trust is not transitive. The only multitrust token that will ever fly is the white card.
Then Anders Rundgren wrote: > That means that you in essense say that TTPs don't work. We already use TTPs > since a long time ago for physical IDs in many countries and making IDs > electronic is no different, it is just a "form-factor" question. It is interesting > to see these EU-projects where governments have a role as TTPs for IDs > when the "market" is really banks who take on this role. Which BTW they > are pretty well geared for compared to the governments as owning a bank- > account in most "regimes" requires that the customer is identified, while > on-line banking requires electronic identification systems. That is, banks' > own needs matches the needs of e-governments. At least if you look on > this over a 3-5 year period. First, in the study that I worked on, govts are not seen as TTPs except for each other - i.e. the idea is that you can (within the EC) take an ID card from country A and go and live and/or work in country B and be identifiable there with country A's ID card). For a long time, every time I saw a description of a PKI it turned out to be not a TTP but rather to be controlled by one of the other 2 parties - OSCIE GIF really does suggest that one govt will a TTP for another. Govts are at heart interested in knowing who is in the country (i.e. knowing about the risk that govt will be overthrown), and ensuring that you pay your taxes. The long running chasm (thousands of years old) between bankers and central govts hasn't disappeared. That's why govts and bankers each want to issue certificates once a smart card is used. They will not accept self-issued certificates because they want to be able to revoke them by destroying the token that the individual holds (black listing (revoking) is only the first stage), and they think they have to be the issuer (and control the TTP so that it becomes no longer a third party) in order to be able to destroy. However, here in the UK the banking system worked extremely well for a long time without needing TTPs (although I do remember being given my first bank account because my father took me along to the bank where he banked) - until it was decided that banks had to be policemen, and so we have a situation where we fool ourselves into thinking that using a utility bill as 'proof of activity in society' is good enough to be registered with a so-called TTP (that might be controlled by either commerce or govt). Gore Vidal quoting someone who quoted an ancient thinker wrote that societies go through a cycle of 4 states: chaos, theocracy, autocracy, democracy and back to chaos. He believes that western democracy is heading into chaos (even as some try to take it back into autocracy). (Hope I got the sequence right.) Peter _______________________________________________ Muscle mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.musclecard.com/mailman/listinfo/muscle
