At 06:00 AM 3/25/2011, Sébastien Lorquet wrote:

>You're talking about not initialized cards. First, it's near impossible to 
>find cards in this state, 

If you buy them in enough quantity, say north of 1000 then its is possible to 
buy them from the manufacturer.  Generally the form you get them in is "module" 
- e.g. no card body, just the thing that goes in the card.

>so the doc would be useless, and second, the commands available in these modes 
>are generally secret and not even available with NDAs outside the manufacturer.

I've only dealt with one manufacturer where I needed this level of detail and 
it was readily available under NDA. I would assume that if I needed to 
configure the card at the base level (e.g. set the protocols T=1 and SCP02 or 
03 etc) I could get the information from other manufacturers if I ordered 
enough in quantity and I was prepared to do all the card assembly gorp.  A 
better way is generally to find a company that's already set up to do this and 
work through them.

> In these initialization states, cards are not javacards yet, they are totally 
> proprietary objects, as you might already know.

Actually they *are* javacards, just with a whole lot more switches and levers. 
And the ability to add native code (think being able to add the bignum library 
and expose it at the javacard level).


>Aditionnaly, please avoid talking about "JCOP" when referring to Java Card, 
>JCOP is a (not so good for all applications) NXP product, and fortunately, 
>there are bunch of other manufacturers and cards, such as the Oberthur Cosmo, 
>the Gemalto GXP/GCX and some others at G&D, for example.


For better or worse, the JCOP cards seem to be more available in small quantity 
purchases than most of the other smart cards.  The only other ones I can 
generally find in small quantities are the Aladdin eToken cards and those have 
at times required you to purchase the middleware along with the card on the 
retail sites I've found.

Mike



>All of these cards follow a single standard, namely Java Card.
>
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