I can't think of any good reason not to use a placeholder, when this relationship is desired and the legal name truly can't be found. Partial name if available or else (an artist-specific) [unknown], both with disambiguation comments should do. Is there something I'm missing?
2015-09-22 14:00 GMT+02:00 <musicbrainz-style-requ...@lists.musicbrainz.org> : > Send MusicBrainz-style mailing list submissions to > musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > musicbrainz-style-requ...@lists.musicbrainz.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > musicbrainz-style-ow...@lists.musicbrainz.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of MusicBrainz-style digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. STYLE-549: Dealing with artists with multiple performance but > no known legal name (Nicol?s Tamargo de Eguren) > 2. Re: STYLE-549: Dealing with artists with multiple performance > but no known legal name (Daniel Sobey) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 19:12:31 +0300 > From: Nicol?s Tamargo de Eguren <reosare...@gmail.com> > Subject: [mb-style] STYLE-549: Dealing with artists with multiple > performance but no known legal name > To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion > <musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org> > Message-ID: > < > cahshd+vv1cvvd3bqmco8ymaojvtruoa688p1u_qwplbh9og...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > We recently got a ticket asking what to do when an artist has multiple > performance names, but we don't know, and can't find, the actual legal name > (so we can't just link them together via the legal name as usually): > http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-549 > > I've personally usually dealt with this with annotations, but admittedly > that really restricts the connection - for example, the other artist names > don't appear on their pages as they do when using proper relationshios > (like in > http://musicbrainz.org/artist/f90e8b26-9e52-4669-a5c9-e28529c47894 > ). > > I'd like to hear what people's ideas on this kind of thing are. Should we > kinda misuse the relationship, and link all other performance names to the > most well-known one as the "legal name"? Should we create a placeholder > legal name artist somehow? (if so, what should be its name? [unknown] is > taken after all). Do you have any better ideas on how to deal with the > whole issue? > > Looking forward to some feedback! > > Cheers, > Nicol?s > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/attachments/20150921/1b8812a0/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 09:38:53 +0930 > From: Daniel Sobey <d...@dns.id.au> > Subject: Re: [mb-style] STYLE-549: Dealing with artists with multiple > performance but no known legal name > To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion > <musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org> > Message-ID: > < > caaphvgoxtm53phvs+kc7qnjpaysd5zw9e0sutz4gv8poc7e...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Here is my method for finding some of these names. > > Using the works databases you can sometimes track down an artists full > name. > The apra search engine allows you to enter a performance name and a song > name so you can use this as a starting point > https://www.apra.com.au/cms/worksearch/worksearch.srvlt > Note that the output is limited and this usually only returns the last > name. > Note that the person may not write thair own songs and it may be a cover so > try and see if all the songs are written by the one person. > > Now we have a last name or a list of last names start to correlate this > with the song in other databases. > Use other works database linked from https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Work to > find the rest of the name. > Search by song name + last name and see if there is a registered work in > the database. > http://iswcnet.cisac.org/ > https://www.ascap.com/Home/ace-title-search/index.aspx > http://repertoire.bmi.com/startpage.asp > Search for anything that they have recorded and if you can see if the same > name / ipi number shows up. > If you can see that most of the works are written by the one person you > have more of a confirmation that you have the right person. > > Also check wikipedia, discogs, and google. > If someone has written an article about them it may include thair legal > name. > You can sometimes get lucky with googling "song name writer" "musician > interview", "better known as xxxx" > Sometimes checking thair facebook, twitter, soundcloud also confirms the > legal name. > > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 1:42 AM, Nicol?s Tamargo de Eguren < > reosare...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > We recently got a ticket asking what to do when an artist has multiple > > performance names, but we don't know, and can't find, the actual legal > name > > (so we can't just link them together via the legal name as usually): > > http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-549 > > > > I've personally usually dealt with this with annotations, but admittedly > > that really restricts the connection - for example, the other artist > names > > don't appear on their pages as they do when using proper relationshios > > (like in > > http://musicbrainz.org/artist/f90e8b26-9e52-4669-a5c9-e28529c47894). > > > > I'd like to hear what people's ideas on this kind of thing are. Should we > > kinda misuse the relationship, and link all other performance names to > the > > most well-known one as the "legal name"? Should we create a placeholder > > legal name artist somehow? (if so, what should be its name? [unknown] is > > taken after all). Do you have any better ideas on how to deal with the > > whole issue? > > > > Looking forward to some feedback! > > > > Cheers, > > Nicol?s > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MusicBrainz-style mailing list > > MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org > > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/attachments/20150922/89ff4a10/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > MusicBrainz-style mailing list > MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > > End of MusicBrainz-style Digest, Vol 125, Issue 2 > ************************************************* >
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