On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 08:24:23PM +0200, Rado Q wrote:
> > It's superfluous, for the overwhelming majority of users.
> 
> If they were more "aware" they'd not be easy prey for phishing and
> the like or minor technical issues.

Learning how to set up an SMTP client, let alone a full MTA, is not
going to save you from this, nor will it actually help you in most
cases you run into where your outgoing e-mail breaks.  More than
likely, it's broken because your ISP has an outage or changed
something, and you're going to have to call them to get them to fix
it.  Only in rare cases will your MTA knowledge help you, and even
then you'll still usually be at the mercy of your provider.  

> > Now, YOU may happen to find it interesting, and if you do, by all
> > means go off and learn about it. But by all means, leave the rest
> > of us alone. ;-)
> 
> Heh, the rest of "you" is certainly welcome at Outlook. ;)

Thankfully, the maintainers of mutt did not have such an elitist,
exclusionist attitude as you seem to.  Outlook is garbage, and I'll
thank you not to insist I use it just because I want my mail
environment to be both powerful AND easy to use...  I still want it to
be powerful.  The power of Mutt is not just desirable for people who
are or want to be computer and networking experts or engineers or
tinkerers; it's extremely useful for anyone who processes a large
amount of mail or has many accounts to manage, etc..  There really is
still no e-mail client that compares, IMO.  But one should not be
required to do rather substantial pointless work to take advantage of
that power.  Neither SMTP knowledge nor MTA configuration knowledge
are required to be a Mutt power user.  Nor should they be.  

> SMTP is indeed irrelevant, but that sending mail consists of several
> components is helpful, so you can better fix things when they go wrong.

Or I can just call my ISP's support people, or post on a mutt mailing
list.  Both will probably save me time and headaches, and probably
will be free, for most people certainly.

This is what support people are for...  Humans specialize, because we
basically have to.  Our modern world is far too complex for us to
learn the basics of every field we might possibly come in contact
with, of which e-mail is one of only thousands if not millions.
Spending countless hours learning gobs of information we neither need
nor care about, nor are likely to remember, is dumb.  Thankfully, mutt
has built-in SMTP support, making one more thing that Mutt users no
longer need to care about or be interested in, if they don't want to.
Try opening your mind a little, and imaginging that not all of Mutt's
users are like you, know what you know, do what you do, or care about
what you care about.

I'm done talking about this with you.  The question was asked why Mutt
has added these features, and (while I was not the one who made those
decisions) I have explained the reasoning behind the maintainers
making those decisions to you.  The reasons are good, boiling down to
the benefit to users of adding them being far greater than the costs of
adding them, so I've tried to be patient with my explanation; but my
patience are at an end.  If you're still too narrow-minded to
understand or appreciate them, that is your problem.  If you don't
approve, too bad... the features are in and not likely to go away.  If
that bothers you overmuch, you have my blessing to use some other
client for your e-mail.

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