On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 02:59:37PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2014-01-08, Richard Z <r...@linux-m68k.org> wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 04:48:18PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > not really. msmtp and esmtp have queueing. > > Can you provide references for that statement? > > >From http://esmtp.sourceforge.net/features.html: > > These are the esmtp features: > [...] > * does not receive mail, expand aliases or manage a queue. http://esmtp.sourceforge.net/ http://esmtp.sourceforge.net/manual.html - search "esmtp-wrapper". In Fedora this is readilly installed to act as a zero-config sendmail replacement. msmtp has the "msmtpq" scripts in the scripts direcotry, not sure if any distribution installs them by default so it may need a bit of work to setup. > >> Do all outbound messages get sent to a single relay host for routing? > >> If no, then you need a "real" MTA. > > > > more precisely if you need direct delivery as opposed to using one or > > several smarthosts. > > Direct delivery has become increasingly difficult in the past 10-15 > years due to anit-spam efforts. It's gotten to the point where you > need a static IP address, domain, and a fully configured DNS setup (MX > records, reverse lookup matching the host name reported by your MTA to > the SMTP server, etc.) Even then it often won't work if your static IP > is considered "residential" rather than "commercial" or if you're > unlucky enough to end up in the same block of IP addresses with some > poor schmuck who got owned and used by spammers recently. fully agree. I would personaly love to do direct delivery because it is in my opinion the safest method but for most people this option is plain total unrealistic. > > On the other hand, each of bultin mutt, mstmp and esmtp provide > > support for several smarthosts much easier than real MTAs. > > Good point. I have several different .muttrc files (one for each of > several "identities"), and they use use msmtp to send outbound mail > via different relay hosts. I never did figure out how to easily do > that with qmail/postfix/exim. I agree, had it working with exim and postfix but was not worth the effort. > > queueing scripts have been added that should work good enough for single > > users trying to send their mail > > I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you stating that mutt > supports queing of outbound mail? Are you talking about some > intermediate layer that sits between mutt and msmtp/esmtp? I was talking about esmtp and msmtp which support it as an addon. Similar approach - a queueing script could be also written for mutt, not a bad idea. I might come back to this because the locking in both esmtp-wrapper and mstmpq look a bit less than rocksolid. Possibly, since mutt supports postponed messages and everything else needed it would not be hard to implement outgoing messages queueing in mutt - but would require some thinking how to make it well configurable. Richard --- Name and OpenPGP keys available from pgp key servers
