Okay, let's be clear then. I don't think new features should be judged based on whether they adhere strictly to some expert's system. I just want what will work for me, and so far MLO has brought me closest to that, using kind of a mix between GTD and DIT. I don't agree that closed lists must be unordered (how often does your day goes as planned?), and it appears that I'm not alone.
On Mar 17, 4:27 am, "Steve Wynn" <[email protected]> wrote: > A 'Today' goal has been requested a number of times, though to me this isn't > really what > most people are after I don't think. What we are talking about in this > instance is an easy > way to flag items for today - so to an extent it would make more sense I > think to have > some type of flags which then have no bearing on priority. But could be > filtered on within > the ToDo list. A Today goal would somehow need to link into the priority > algorithm to be > effective and would require a super+super boost to jump to the top of a > priority ordered > list, if weekly goals existed. User defined filtered flags would seem to me > to be a better > option as they could work in conjunction with the established priority > ordering. If they > were user defined you could have a Today flag, Follow-up, Pending etc. The > most important > thing would be the ability to create a filtered list based on a flag. Yes, having a flag system would help. We can largely accomplish that in the desktop version (not as well in the mobile version, at least as far as editing the list goes) by using a category, setting a shortcut to it, and setting up views to show items that are or aren't in that category. Using the weekly goal gives some ordering to that list, along the lines of "this item absolutely has to be done today" vs "I'd like to do this today if possibe" - sort of an A/B categorization. Although having a "daily goal" would make a lot more sense here, because using weekly for that means you can't have weekly goals... Using urgency/priority to try to just work well because: A) as has been mentioned, it's usually impossible to get the task exactly where you want it. B) priority/urgency are affected by the outline structure (e.g. if you have organization nodes like "Projects", the pri/sev of those nodes I think affect the pri/sev of the children - there should really be a "neutral" pri/sev), C) It's a real pain to set pri/urg by changing sliders. Requires going to the mouse (difficult esp on laptops). It's a lot easier to press a single key such as "w" for "weekly". Shortcuts for pri/urg might help here. It was a nice idea, but most of the time I find it's too much - usually simple A/B/C priority would suffice. The only reason D) We're trying to set the ordering of a list by changing something that only indirectly affects that ordering. I really just want to drag/drop to set relative priorities between the items in this list only. So, having a flagging system would be nice, having daily goals would be nice, and having a manual ordered mode that can be turned on/off for a specific view would be really nice. On Mar 17, 4:27 am, "Steve Wynn" <[email protected]> wrote: > I am not trying to be pedantic but the principle of the Closed list is being > somewhat lost. Operating a Closed list means once it is defined no new > items are added, unless same day urgent and these get added under a line to > distinguish them from the planned workload. > > Order and priority/sequence are not a factor, that to an extent is one of the > major points with regards to the Closed List concept. The list is self > contained and the order you do things has no relevance or bearing. With a > daily Closed List you aim to complete the items on the list each day - which > is the whole reason order/priority are not a concern. > > Order/priority is only a concern if you don't plan to clear the contents of > the defined Closed List. Which sort of goes against the principle of the > list, that being clearing the list is your objective for today. > > Now overall if people want to order lists, fair enough. But for most of the > system's MLO addresses order isn't a significant factor. Hence the reason > it is not already part of the product - I suspect. When various systems or > methods are mentioned that go against the feature being requested I sort of > just see contradiction which prompts me to try and clarify things. > > I think perhaps it is becoming increasingly more important to separate what > is a 'system' related feature to what is an individual preference. If > anything it will stop me weighing in on things !! So in other words > GTD/DIT/AF/Covey operate in this way - we need this feature because MLO > lacks something concerned with the system being addressed. Compared to 'I' > operate in this way and I would like this feature. > > I am not saying personal preference in any way should be devalued with > regards to system requests. Just a distinction be made for clarity purposes. > > Again these days I think any feature request could draw strength from looking > beyond the initial idea. For example A1,A2 priority method would provide an > ordered list and may suit Covey users, there is also Brian Tracy who talks of > the virtues of A,B,C priority. The Now Habit by Dr Neil Fiore deals with > focusing on 'A' priority projects. There is also a priority method with > defined uses, A-Today, B-This Week, C-This Month. So although it would not be > the preferred method of ordering it has virtues of appealing to perhaps a > broader base, and perhaps with this type of order drag/drop would also be > easier. > > A 'Today' goal has been requested a number of times, though to me this isn't > really what most people are after I don't think. What we are talking about > in this instance is an easy way to flag items for today - so to an extent it > would make more sense I think to have some type of flags which then have no > bearing on priority. But could be filtered on within the ToDo list. A Today > goal would somehow need to link into the priority algorithm to be effective > and would require a super+super boost to jump to the top of a priority > ordered list, if weekly goals existed. User defined filtered flags would seem > to me to be a better option as they could work in conjunction with the > established priority ordering. If they were user defined you could have a > Today flag, Follow-up, Pending etc. The most important thing would be the > ability to create a filtered list based on a flag. > > All the best > > Steve > > > > ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- > From: Stephen <[email protected]> > To: MyLifeOrganized <[email protected]> > > Received: 17/03/2009 02:50:11 > Subject: [MLO] Re: Prioritizing Items ToDo Today - Suggestions Wanted > > >> Personally I think paying too much concern to list > >order limits your > >available options... > > >Well, that's nice, but... different people have > >different styles and > >personalities. I'm too likely to make poor decisions if > >there are a > >bunch of possibilities and I have constantly review > >what to do next. > >I also tend to get paralyzed when I see a large list. > >I'm learning I > >do better with a closed list for the day. > > >I love the way that MLO orders tasks in a "suggested > >priority", but I > >only want to review that list once a week for weekly > >goals and once a > >day for daily goals, and move selected tasks to a > >closed list. Then I > >want a view where I can see only what I've decide to > >work on for today > >(whether that's a "must do" or a "want to do" list is > >irrelevant). In > >this mode, I want to be able to easily order tasks > >within that view > >(but probably still be able to set priorities that affect > >the other > >views, in case for instance I decide to remove an > >item from today but > >still need to do it sometime this week). > > >So I think a separate field makes a lot of sense, plus > >a separate view > >or mode where "manual ordering" takes place. I > >definitely do *not* > >want to have to manually set "A1" etc, that would be > >so much of a pain > >nobody would do it. Simple drag/drop or even > >"up/down" ordering is > >sufficient. A/B/C is optional, but personally I think > >adding a "today > >goal" like so many have suggested would be much > >better. These might > >be things considered "have to do today" and the > >others are "try to do > >today." > > >I don't want MLO to change to some simpler scheme, > >I just want to be > >able to use the auto-priority system to guide me in > >making daily/ > >weekly decisions. > >The manual ordering isn't so much about "I have to do > >these in this > >order", but rather a way of prioritizing my time once > >rather than > >having to make that decision multiple times in the > >day. > > >I currently use a context for personal/business today > >tasks, and it > >sort of works, but having more control on ordering in > >that list, and > >having a "today goal" would add a lot to this > >scenario. > > >Thx, > >Stephen > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG -www.avg.com > >Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - > >Release Date: 03/16/09 07:04:00- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. 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