At 11:43 AM 8/5/2005, you wrote:
Jim Reith wrote:

At 10:19 AM 8/5/2005, you wrote:

James Oltman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> if it can be read, it can be cracked.
>

There are two issues:  1) technical, 2) philosophical (the priciple of the
idea).


i don't see a philosophical issue if you own the CD and are ripping it for
personal use. If they infringe on your personal use, that's a problem.

And I find the technical description of only allowing it to be ripped a
fixed number of times silly. If it's a read only media, how  can they
enforce that. Just go to another untainted machine (I'm assuming the rip
count is a cookie somewhere)

There isn't valid red-book CD Audio on the disc. What is stored there may
or may not work with standards-compliant CD players, though generally not
anything that moves such as a car or, portable player.

Since I primarily listen to CDs in my car for my hour+ commute, that's a
deal breaker for me and back it goes

The rip restrictions rely on a unique ID written to some sectors of the
disc. When you try to rip with Windows Media Player (other rippers are
liable to choke on the non-CD data), your ID is verified against a
database, to see whether you have permission to rip. If not, tough luck.
If so, you rip to protected WMA files which include your ID number, and
perform lookups against Microsoft's databases per-play.

Results: If your computer's ID number changes (e.g. you reformat Windows),
all your music is rendered useless, unless the per-disc restrictions allow
you to re-acquire a license to your files. If your disk crashes, you need
to re-rip your music, ticking down your counter.

So I'd have to buy a windows machine to enjoy it? fat chance

Again, in many cases (especially with Linux, or by employing a felt-tipped
pen) you can bypass the copy protection mechanisms. Should you need to?
Should you encourage their use by buying the technology and calling it good?

Nope. but then I guess I'm not part of that 90% windows users in the
database. And I DO make throw away copies of CDs I buy before leaving them
(the throw aways) to bake in my car. Likewise I have a friend with small
children that does the same things with DVDs his kids watch so he can
always remaster one that has been abused by small hands.

--Jo Shields
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