They're not the good guy in terms of being a centralized service, perhaps, but 
the technology they've introduced and are pushing is technology I happily and 
enthusiastically deploy myself on my own services, though since I'm not going 
through their CDN you can still easily block/restrict my services.

That, I think, is an important part to remember - the only fault cloudflare has 
here is being used by many services, the technology, however, is needed and 
should be widely adopted by all services. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Constantine A. Murenin via NANOG <[email protected]> 
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2025 9:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: North American Network Operators Group <[email protected]>; Constantine 
A. Murenin <[email protected]>
Subject: [NANOG] Re: ISPs in Spain are blocking CDN IP ranges to tackle soccer 
piracy

Not quite, because the entire Wikipedia in all languages is then simply 
blocked, so, they're not even able to read any of the other articles from 
Wikipedia either, in any language.  This violates primal protocol design 
principles of flexibility and resilience, business continuity and backwards 
compatibility.

Also, the same principle that prevents Spain from selectively blocking a single 
Cloudflare site, also prevents me, as a network administrator, in the privacy 
of my own home, from blocking ads and other undesirable resources throughout 
the entirety of my home network, on all devices, in bulk.

And after the ability to do this network-wide blocking has been removed, 
Cloudflare's partners are also slowly but surely removing the ability to block 
said content within your own endpoint devices, too, by removing all the 
ad-blockers from all the stores, and preventing relevant API access from within 
the browser, too; plus making it a ToS violation to alter website contents 
through a plug-in.  Sorry, but Cloudflare is not a good guy in this story.

On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 at 18:20, <[email protected]> wrote:
> The same principle that prevents Spain from selectively blocking a 
> single Cloudflare site also prevents dictators from murdering anyone 
> in the country who edits their Wikipedia page unfavourably, so keep 
> that in mind.
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