Who is having this spam problem are the people and companies expending resources keeping that spam out of your inbox.
What's the current estimate? Around 90% of all email volume is spam. You can say "well I don't see it so I don't care" but that's a little like who needs the police I've never been mugged. This is an operations and infrastructure list. On July 6, 2025 at 15:08 [email protected] (Michael Thomas via NANOG) wrote: > > On 7/6/25 2:05 PM, Barry Shein via NANOG wrote: > > So all I'm saying is we have to start thinking more about disrupting > > spammers' economics and less about designing sharper razor wire > > fences. > > > Really? Why? I rarely get spam (UCE) these days through my Google linked > accounts, and haven't for years. I assume most of the major mailbox > providers need to keep up with Google, so their customers probably > aren't getting a lot of spam either. For the mailbox providers, it's > just a cost of doing business, and reducing Google's cost of doing > business isn't very high up on my list of concerns. > > I suspect that the same is true of enterprise mailboxes as well since if > the anti-spam vendors couldn't keep up, it would give more incentive to > outsource their mail to somebody who could. And again, reducing their > cost of doing business isn't very high up on my list of concerns. > > So who exactly is having this spam problem these days? I suppose if > you're running sendmail and spamassassin it might be bad (I personally > gave up on that) but that's in the long tail of people being ornery > rugged email individualists. Again, not something very high up on my > list of concerns. > > Is there some other large set of mailboxes that I'm missing here? > Ideally mailboxes that I would care about their economics? > > That is distinctly different than phishing and its social engineering > aspect. Doubly so with spear-phishing which by its nature, the content > is likely to look like legitimate email. Phishing can be catastrophic > and will always be a concern. This is where the meta information of > authn, etc, become more important in the fight to combat it, but that's > different than UCE. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > NANOG mailing list > https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/EAHHNWMCOBBEHZEHKTHSJTUY7PHNOECB/ -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | [email protected] | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo* _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/Z7ECAHQ2UCU4JFMIFKH6PGJ6BE7USEBR/
