"Hard cases make good Law." RonY Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 21, 2025, at 4:03 PM, Mel Beckman via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> > wrote: > > David, > > Thank you for supplying the factual data I was looking for. I’m happy to now > accept “most”. > > Let us hope the slippery slope of anonymizing registration data doesn’t creep > into ARIN! > > -mel > > On Jul 21, 2025, at 1:24 PM, David Conrad <d...@virtualized.org> wrote: > > On Jul 19, 2025, at 5:41 PM, Mel Beckman <m...@beckman.org> wrote: > It’s not that I’m “going somewhere” with this comment. I’m just looking for > factual data, not wild guesses. I’ll accept “some” for now. > > They weren’t "wild guesses”. As mentioned, my comments regarding registrars > redacting for privacy was in relation to my discussions with law enforcement. > This would appear to be corroborated by John McCormac’s post that pointed to > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dnib.com_articles_interisle-2Dreport-2Dexamines-2Ddomain-2Dname-2Dcontact-2Ddata-2Davailability&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=HNhAt6Xw9R20rk1Pj0Tj-ITXDLXG90K7EXYZiuBTWTY&e= > which seems to confirm “most” (if not “if not all”). The TL;DR quote from > that paper: > > "Since 2018, registrars also have expanded and promoted free privacy proxy > service offerings. Of the 20 largest registrars included in the study, which > collectively account for more than 70% of gTLD registrations, a majority > offer free proxy services, removing financial barriers to proxy use for the > majority of gTLD registrants.” > > Since my day job causes me to be somewhat involved in never ending > registration data debacle, I did a quick check of the top registrars by > market share John listed. It appears: > > Godaddy (27.6% market share): privacy on by default for all eligible new > domains > Namecheap (8.04%): privacy on by default for all eligible new domains > Tucows (includes Enom and Hover, 4.3%): on by default for all eligible new > domains > Squarespace (formerly Google, 3.3%): on by default for all eligible new > domains > GMO Internet (includes > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__onamae.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=uoaC7ef9fHZuYnOyn_w5D7ieZzQ-MCyy9ga_QBVpsHc&e= > and > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__z.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=MRl6alNNS_i0U5Bq8CXDNH4qCDW0qv4u9c5QR78WyuY&e=, > 2.37%): on by default for all eligible new domains > Dynadot (2.21%): on by default for all eligible new domains > Netsol: (2.16%): NOT on by default, a $9.99 added service > Gname: (2.12%): NOT on by default, free for all eligible new domains > > (I was only able to find one other registrar that doesn’t have privacy on by > default, Bluehost, but I didn’t bother figuring out their market share or > doing a further, exhaustive survey) > > Translating that to operational impact, according to the first line of the > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__dnib.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=5ZsrGJY45ZbllizLyKjX1emApZIBr1LeQ-TuDxc_TNY&e= > paper, about "Nearly 90% of the internet’s generic top-level domain (gTLD) > names do not have identifying contact information in the Registration Data > Directory Services (RDDS) system […]”. > > Is every good scientist knows, the absence of data is not data, and the > plural of anecdote is not data :-) > > Ironically, the original aphorism was “the plural of anecdote is data” (see > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__web.archive.org_web_20080523225000_http-3A__listserv.linguistlist.org_cgi-2Dbin_wa-3FA2-3Dind0407a-26L-3Dads-2Dl-26P-3D8874&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=QkUD_G-cq1lqEdKXDmHSbmGs-glweWBR0jxpODvg1Eg&e=). > > Regards, > -drc > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__signature.asc&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=8ENcEhGfP9eqIBumbAp1m6lHbRhFJKyQd-ZhwY5jZio&e=> > _______________________________________________ > NANOG mailing list > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.nanog.org_archives_list_nanog-40lists.nanog.org_message_FLKJDDSLRNAOCMQCVRQ5YBG4LFHJ6TBA_&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=BjYFzTJZ8A6LT08zu-r8Jv2bTgdC9gbao7YG4PD-cBw&e= _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/EMJ5I5QAOO7OXUPEM3O2QTNLOPYFFCGB/
