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Jonathan Kalbfeld office: +1 310 317 7933 fax: +1 310 317 7901 home: +1 310 317 7909 mobile: +1 310 227 1662 ThoughtWave Technologies, Inc. Studio City, CA 91604 https://thoughtwave.com View our network at https://bgp.he.net/AS54380 +1 844 42-LINUX > > On Jul 21, 2025 at 2:41 PM, Ron Yokubaitis via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> > wrote: > > > "Hard cases make good Law." > > RonY > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 21, 2025, at 4:03 PM, Mel Beckman via NANOG > > <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote: > > > > David, > > > > Thank you for supplying the factual data I was looking for. I’m happy to > > now accept “most”. > > > > Let us hope the slippery slope of anonymizing registration data doesn’t > > creep into ARIN! > > > > -mel > > > > On Jul 21, 2025, at 1:24 PM, David Conrad <d...@virtualized.org> wrote: > > > > On Jul 19, 2025, at 5:41 PM, Mel Beckman <m...@beckman.org> wrote: > > It’s not that I’m “going somewhere” with this comment. I’m just looking > > for factual data, not wild guesses. I’ll accept “some” for now. > > > > They weren’t "wild guesses”. As mentioned, my comments regarding > > registrars redacting for privacy was in relation to my discussions with law > > enforcement. This would appear to be corroborated by John McCormac’s post > > that pointed to > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dnib.com_articles_interisle-2Dreport-2Dexamines-2Ddomain-2Dname-2Dcontact-2Ddata-2Davailability&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=HNhAt6Xw9R20rk1Pj0Tj-ITXDLXG90K7EXYZiuBTWTY&e= > > which seems to confirm “most” (if not “if not all”). The TL;DR quote from > > that paper: > > > > "Since 2018, registrars also have expanded and promoted free privacy proxy > > service offerings. Of the 20 largest registrars included in the study, > > which collectively account for more than 70% of gTLD registrations, a > > majority offer free proxy services, removing financial barriers to proxy > > use for the majority of gTLD registrants.” > > > > Since my day job causes me to be somewhat involved in never ending > > registration data debacle, I did a quick check of the top registrars by > > market share John listed. It appears: > > > > Godaddy (27.6% market share): privacy on by default for all eligible new > > domains > > Namecheap (8.04%): privacy on by default for all eligible new domains > > Tucows (includes Enom and Hover, 4.3%): on by default for all eligible new > > domains > > Squarespace (formerly Google, 3.3%): on by default for all eligible new > > domains > > GMO Internet (includes > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__onamae.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=uoaC7ef9fHZuYnOyn_w5D7ieZzQ-MCyy9ga_QBVpsHc&e= > > and > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__z.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=MRl6alNNS_i0U5Bq8CXDNH4qCDW0qv4u9c5QR78WyuY&e=, > > 2.37%): on by default for all eligible new domains > > Dynadot (2.21%): on by default for all eligible new domains > > Netsol: (2.16%): NOT on by default, a $9.99 added service > > Gname: (2.12%): NOT on by default, free for all eligible new domains > > > > (I was only able to find one other registrar that doesn’t have privacy on > > by default, Bluehost, but I didn’t bother figuring out their market share > > or doing a further, exhaustive survey) > > > > Translating that to operational impact, according to the first line of the > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__dnib.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=5ZsrGJY45ZbllizLyKjX1emApZIBr1LeQ-TuDxc_TNY&e= > > paper, about "Nearly 90% of the internet’s generic top-level domain > > (gTLD) names do not have identifying contact information in the > > Registration Data Directory Services (RDDS) system […]”. > > > > Is every good scientist knows, the absence of data is not data, and the > > plural of anecdote is not data :-) > > > > Ironically, the original aphorism was “the plural of anecdote is data” > > (see > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__web.archive.org_web_20080523225000_http-3A__listserv.linguistlist.org_cgi-2Dbin_wa-3FA2-3Dind0407a-26L-3Dads-2Dl-26P-3D8874&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=QkUD_G-cq1lqEdKXDmHSbmGs-glweWBR0jxpODvg1Eg&e=). > > > > Regards, > > -drc > > > > > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__signature.asc&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=8ENcEhGfP9eqIBumbAp1m6lHbRhFJKyQd-ZhwY5jZio&e=> > > _______________________________________________ > > NANOG mailing list > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.nanog.org_archives_list_nanog-40lists.nanog.org_message_FLKJDDSLRNAOCMQCVRQ5YBG4LFHJ6TBA_&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=BjYFzTJZ8A6LT08zu-r8Jv2bTgdC9gbao7YG4PD-cBw&e= > _______________________________________________ > NANOG mailing list > https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/EMJ5I5QAOO7OXUPEM3O2QTNLOPYFFCGB/ > _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/B4BDSKKCWFBMKJTFWFW3SAQQFYUYFPQY/
