A discord-irc bridge might be somewhat useful, for those of us for example have 
over 70 active IRC channels they're in related to various topics and projects. 
Life's already crowded enough with three monitors.

Or maybe I just need more! 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Hamel via NANOG <[email protected]> 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2025 10:07 PM
To: North American Network Operators Group <[email protected]>
Cc: Krassimir Tzvetanov <[email protected]>; Ryan Hamel <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Where else do you hangout?

Krassi,

> There is nothing like the simplicity of IRC.

IRC is anything but simple, with so many clients with varying features, having 
to know many commands. It makes instructing someone on how to set it up and use 
it more difficult.

> Discord, Slack, are heavyweight and fairly insecure, which also begs the 
> question, what happened to those people that were security conscious?

Heavyweight is subjective, especially when compared to Teams. How they are 
insecure?

> Should we consider starting a IRC server for NANOG

I would argue that if the existing #nanog channels out there are effectively 
dead, and #ix (could be) slowly winding itself down. A NANOG IRC server would 
not get anywhere near the use, compared to the NANOG Discord server 
(https://discord.nanog.org/<https://discord.nanog.org/>). A very strong 
proposal would need to be made from the Moderation Committee to the Board to 
make such a thing happen, however with the committee focused on Discord and 
mailing list, it would likely not happen due to the friction involved in set up 
and maintenance, for little to no usage in return.

> Or should we pick one of Discord and Slack? (none of which I'm a fan TBH)...

The NANOG Discord has been around for a few years, and we'd all be happy if you 
joined. https://discord.nanog.org/<https://discord.nanog.org/>

Ryan Hamel

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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2025 6:37 PM
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Cc: Krassimir Tzvetanov <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Where else do you hangout?

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There is nothing like the simplicity of IRC. TBH, I don't care if the smiling 
face emoji is animated or just two ASCII characters. Most of the clients - 
Discord, Slack, are heavyweight and fairly insecure, which also begs the 
question, what happened to those people that were security conscious? I am not 
ranting here but I am pointing out the simple fact that people are spending too 
much time on distractions and not on the actual function and goal they are 
trying to achieve. Every 2-3 years, there is a new social media hotness that 
sweeps the crowds and then we end up even more fragmented.

Should we consider starting a IRC server for NANOG, or simply setting up a chat 
group on Signal? That's at least to solve the NANOG crowd problem...
Or should we pick one of Discord and Slack? (none of which I'm a fan TBH)...

We should have a meet up in person during the next NANOG! No cell phones 
allowed during the meet up! ;)

Cheers,
Krassi


On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 5:53 PM Andrew Latham via NANOG < 
[email protected]> wrote:

> I will make note that two things cause me caution when socializing.
>
> 1. NDAs (so many!!!!)
> 2. Spear Phishing
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 6:49 PM Mark Prosser <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > On 2025-08-20 20:45, Andrew Latham wrote:
> > > "Get off my lawn!" :P
> > >
> > > * Direct chat with peers
> > > * Mailing Lists
> > >
> > > I avoid walled gardens like discord. I do miss Google+ where I 
> > > could make my posts globally visible without any ads. Used to run 
> > > "The Backbone Of The Internet" group there.
> > >
> >
> > :P
> >
> > You're definitely not wrong to avoid the walled gardens.
> >
> > I gave Google+ a try a long time ago but I never really explored the 
> > groups.
> >
> > I guess I forgot to mention I'm on Mastodon & Bluesky. I prefer the 
> > former, but there isn't much NetEng talk going on there.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > --
> > Mark Prosser
> > // E: [email protected]
> > // W: https://zealnetworks.ca/<https://zealnetworks.ca/>
>
>
>
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