> 
> If you aren’t buying stuff off ebay and amazon (or using github, but they’re 
> actively working on fixing that) v6-only is quite feasible today.
> 

Your customers are paying for internet access. This implies the *entire* 
internet. If your customers can’t get to Amazon, eBay, Github, or a myriad of 
other sites ( a *lot* of B2B sites are v4-only, including Salesforce), you’re 
not going to have many customers.

As long as there are destinations on the internet that aren’t available over 
IPv6, there will be a need for IPv4 connectivity. While I expect IPv6 adoption 
to continue to rise, I don’t think we’ll ever see an IPv6-only internet. ISPs 
may stop allocating v4 to eyeball customers - many (most US?) mobile carriers 
are doing this already - but that long tail… we may never get to the Thagomizer.

-C

> From: Josh Luthman <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, December 1, 2025 2:03 PM
> To: Gary Sparkes <[email protected]>
> Cc: North American Network Operators Group <[email protected]>; Mu 
> <[email protected]>; Aaron C. de Bruyn <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: IPv4 Pricing
> 
> V4 only works today?  You're going to exclude at the very least Ebay and 
> Amazon?  Seriously?
> 
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 1:13 PM Gary Sparkes 
> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> I'll add this too -
> 
> We don't even bother asking ISPs for v6 support, we just assume if it's not 
> there it won't happen.
> 
> There is no point in asking. It's 2025, either they're deploying it or not.
> 
> If they don't have it, we work around it, usually by allocating space to a 
> customer and setting up a portal/tunnel endpoint geographically close to them 
> and handling it that way.
> 
> We also encourage customers to move off said ISP - I have moved several of my 
> customers to T-Mobile wireless internet off of local ISPs because of this 
> issue, and it works 'good enough'.
> 
> Not having v6 support these days speaks to laughable incompetence as a 
> network operator, or extensive legacy infrastructure. Especially since it's 
> now possible to run v6 only without any v4 translation tech and still have 
> working end-user 'internet'
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Luthman via NANOG 
> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> Sent: Monday, December 1, 2025 10:56 AM
> To: Mu <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> Cc: North American Network Operators Group 
> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Aaron C. de Bruyn 
> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Josh Luthman 
> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> Subject: Re: IPv4 Pricing
> 
> I need a business reason to make the business do IPv6.  I do not need a 
> technical reason.  This thread has shown there is no business use case for 
> global IPv6.
> 
> I also want to throw this out there:  Metronet residential (last I heard 7th 
> largest fiber provider in the US, this was well before the Tmobile
> acquisition) doesn't even give out public IPs.  They do IPv4 only CGNAT.
> You can get a /32 static at $15/mo (in some areas).
> 
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 10:51 AM Mu <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
>> the reason "you still need v4 for a working Internet" is because
>> people like you keep saying crap like "v6 is a joke".
>> thanks for that!
>> 
>> On Monday, December 1st, 2025 at 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman via NANOG <
>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Aaron,
>>> 
>>> As a small operator I would ask why you need a /29 the first place.
>> Second
>>> why don't you just get your own ASN?
>>> 
>>> Are you willing to pay more to support v6? Or do you think the ISP
>>> should add that service for free?
>>> 
>>> Imo v6 is a joke because you still need v4 for a working Internet. I
>>> understand there are benefits but this is 2025 and you can't get by
>> without
>>> v4.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2025, 10:03 AM Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG <
>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I wish they were dropping in my area.
>>>> I called my backwoods ISP last week (they are a monopoly with
>>>> ~4,000
>> fiber
>>>> customers) to go from a single static at my office to a /29 and
>>>> they
>> said
>>>> "It's $300/mo".
>>>> I asked why it was so high and they said "My boss doesn't like
>> configuring
>>>> them, so he set the price really high".
>>>> Then I asked when IPv6 would be available and got the same answer
>>>> I got back in 2019: "My boss said he was thinking about looking
>>>> into it next year".
>>>> 
>>>> -A
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:12 PM Tom Mitchell via NANOG <
>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> v4 addresses have been dropping rapidly. They were as high as
>>>>> $65
>> last
>>>>> year. Now, there are offers for $11. Average market price now is
>>>>> in
>> the
>>>>> mid-$20's. All the NA ISPs have been selling much of their inventory.
>>>>> Why
>>>>> not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Tom
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 11:23 AM Mike Hammett via NANOG <
>>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> What are you using for guides for IPv4 pricing? There are a
>>>>>> bunch
>> of
>>>>>> undated blogs, which don't mean much if there's no date.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hilco's blog says somewhere around $27 for a /22 to /24:
>>>>>> https://www.ipv4.global/reports/october-2025/
>>>>>> but then fast forward a month on their auction page and it's
>>>>>> down
>> to
>>>>>> $22:
>>>>>> https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-sales
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> These guys stopped updating in June:
>>>>>> https://ipv4market.eu/ipv4-market-average-sale-prices-2025/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Midwest-IX
>>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
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