Mike, I agree with you where ISPs choose insecure CPE and force their customers to use it. But in the case of AISURU, It’s not the CPE causing the problem, it’s the customer’s buggy android-based IoT.
-mel > On Jan 17, 2026, at 4:16 AM, Mike Simpson <[email protected]> wrote: > > “immediately recognize any they own, which will drive home the point that > this is their problem” > > That’s some grade A victim blaming bs there. > > “The rubbish CPE that we forced you to have is now owned and it’s upsetting > our eyeballs only peering arrangements so you need to sort it out” > > ISPs are only not accountable legally for the content of the packets they > transport. That doesn’t mean they are not responsible for the terrible > routers they give out. > > Your customers in the main don’t care as they are used to flaky internet > service. It’s the problem of the ISP as it only really impacts on them in an > aggregated form so as that’s where the pain is, that’s who is “it” for > solving it. > > -don’t hand out cheap pos un-updatable CPE or do (shareholder value/ > enshittification) and accept the consequences with good grace. > > > >> On 17 Jan 2026, at 02:10, Mel Beckman via NANOG <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> immediately recognize any they own, which will drive home the point that >> this is their problem _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/VHVDCUY7PQBQ4RHEHCCRHCOKEIOYN6MX/
