It is something that matters, because it has the potential to set a dangerous precedent.
If you say "$Service should reduce their bit rates because this is an emergency!" , I guarantee that exact same argument will be made well after this crisis has passed with a different definition of "emergency", and adding on "well it's an emergency to me!". Some of the pipes Netflix goes through is also used by other services that > aren't as adaptable. > And how is that Netflix's responsibility? They have already taken action to ramp down bitrates when they detect congestion. Why should other applications be able to say piss off, I don't want to? Didn't we just have a 10 year net neutrality argument that we're not supposed to want to treat the bits differently? On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> wrote: > It's one of those most important things that matters. > > The end user likely won't notice the difference between 4k and 720p. They > also aren't likely to notice the transition from one to the other. > > The person on the VPN, VoIP call, video conference, video game, etc. will > very much notice the congested link, even if it's only a few seconds. > > > Yes, Netflix video is very efficient, if not the most efficient. They're > also one of if not the largest slingers of bits on the Internet. Small > changes in usage of such a huge player totally eclipse most other usages on > the Internet. > > https://help.netflix.com/en/node/306 > > Netflix recommends 25 megs for Ultra HD, while only 5 megs for HD. That's > a 5x difference in something people likely won't notice and would make a > big difference on the additional VPN, VoIP, video conferencing, etc. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Blake Hudson" <bl...@ispn.net> > *To: *nanog@nanog.org > *Sent: *Friday, March 20, 2020 9:01:18 AM > *Subject: *Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks > > Yes, but does that matter? If there's extra capacity on the link, Netflix > runs at full rate. If there is not extra capacity Netflix rates down to > prevent congestion. While streaming video (including Netflix) uses a lot of > bandwidth, I don't see Netflix causing congestion. It gets a bad wrap, and > I think that's unfair because Netflix is actually really efficient and > really conscientious compared to others. > > On 3/20/2020 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Some of the pipes Netflix goes through is also used by other services that > aren't as adaptable. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Blake Hudson" <bl...@ispn.net> <bl...@ispn.net> > *To: *nanog@nanog.org > *Sent: *Friday, March 20, 2020 8:32:45 AM > *Subject: *Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks > > > On 3/19/2020 12:22 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 19/Mar/20 18:07, Matt Hoppes wrote: > >> Agreed... 720 or 1080 Netflix will work just as fine as 4K for the > >> next month or two. > > Well, the article claims "Drop stream quality from HD". That means 4K, > > 1080p and 720p. > > > > If you have an OCA on your network, how does this encourage consumers to > > use the "extra bandwidth" for anything else? > > > > Are we assuming we know how consumers want to spend their time now? > > > > Mark. > > Across several eyeball networks I'm not seeing any noticeable increase > in peak (95%) demand between now and January. Since Netflix > automatically scales down data rates in the event of congestion, the > only thing I foresee forcing Netflix to reduce data rates [ahead of any > congestion] would accomplish is causing excess link capacity to go > unused (wasted). This sounds like a policy decision made without a > technical argument... e.g. not a data driven decision, but a decision > made out of fear or panic. > > > > >