I think people can tell the difference just fine. But get lawyers involved on what the word 'emergency' means, then watch the fun.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:47 AM Mel Beckman <[email protected]> wrote: > > If you say "$Service should reduce their bit rates because this is an > emergency!" , I guarantee that exact same argument will be made well after > this crisis has passed with a different definition of "emergency", and > adding on "well it's an emergency to me!" > > > Well, that’s a silly argument. Do you think people can’t tell the > difference between a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic and somebody who’s having > a “personal emergency”? > > -mel > > On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:43 AM, Tom Beecher <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It is something that matters, because it has the potential to set a > dangerous precedent. > > If you say "$Service should reduce their bit rates because this is an > emergency!" , I guarantee that exact same argument will be made well after > this crisis has passed with a different definition of "emergency", and > adding on "well it's an emergency to me!". > > Some of the pipes Netflix goes through is also used by other services that >> aren't as adaptable. >> > > And how is that Netflix's responsibility? They have already taken action > to ramp down bitrates when they detect congestion. Why should other > applications be able to say piss off, I don't want to? Didn't we just have > a 10 year net neutrality argument that we're not supposed to want to treat > the bits differently? > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It's one of those most important things that matters. >> >> The end user likely won't notice the difference between 4k and 720p. They >> also aren't likely to notice the transition from one to the other. >> >> The person on the VPN, VoIP call, video conference, video game, etc. will >> very much notice the congested link, even if it's only a few seconds. >> >> >> Yes, Netflix video is very efficient, if not the most efficient. They're >> also one of if not the largest slingers of bits on the Internet. Small >> changes in usage of such a huge player totally eclipse most other usages on >> the Internet. >> >> https://help.netflix.com/en/node/306 >> >> Netflix recommends 25 megs for Ultra HD, while only 5 megs for HD. That's >> a 5x difference in something people likely won't notice and would make a >> big difference on the additional VPN, VoIP, video conferencing, etc. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Blake Hudson" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Friday, March 20, 2020 9:01:18 AM >> *Subject: *Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks >> >> Yes, but does that matter? If there's extra capacity on the link, Netflix >> runs at full rate. If there is not extra capacity Netflix rates down to >> prevent congestion. While streaming video (including Netflix) uses a lot of >> bandwidth, I don't see Netflix causing congestion. It gets a bad wrap, and >> I think that's unfair because Netflix is actually really efficient and >> really conscientious compared to others. >> >> On 3/20/2020 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> Some of the pipes Netflix goes through is also used by other services >> that aren't as adaptable. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Blake Hudson" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Friday, March 20, 2020 8:32:45 AM >> *Subject: *Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks >> >> >> On 3/19/2020 12:22 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: >> > >> > On 19/Mar/20 18:07, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> >> Agreed... 720 or 1080 Netflix will work just as fine as 4K for the >> >> next month or two. >> > Well, the article claims "Drop stream quality from HD". That means 4K, >> > 1080p and 720p. >> > >> > If you have an OCA on your network, how does this encourage consumers to >> > use the "extra bandwidth" for anything else? >> > >> > Are we assuming we know how consumers want to spend their time now? >> > >> > Mark. >> >> Across several eyeball networks I'm not seeing any noticeable increase >> in peak (95%) demand between now and January. Since Netflix >> automatically scales down data rates in the event of congestion, the >> only thing I foresee forcing Netflix to reduce data rates [ahead of any >> congestion] would accomplish is causing excess link capacity to go >> unused (wasted). This sounds like a policy decision made without a >> technical argument... e.g. not a data driven decision, but a decision >> made out of fear or panic. >> >> >> >> >>
