In the context of Montreal, to clarify, when you say Zayo are you referring to Zayo Canada (former AT&T Canada/MTS-Allstream), or AS6461, the original Abovenet AS which is Zayo USA's IP transit network?
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 11:17 AM Eric Dugas via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote: > The details you mentioned about Cogent and HE are still right. > > I'm managing an eyeball network and have Cogent in our blend but I also > have three other Tier1s and VERY extensive peering (public and private). We > have (from the cheapest to most expensive) Cogent, Telia, Zayo and Tata. I > have to mention that we're based in Montreal so less choices compared to > your market. The only two other Tier1s available in Montrea is GTT and > Lumen/CL/Level3. > > Cogent: difficult relations, good service overall > Telia: excellent relations, good service overall > Tata: good relations, good service overall > Zayo: difficult relations, good service overall > > Eric > > On Feb 17 2021, at 1:49 pm, Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > This is from the perspective of an eyeball network. I understand that > content networks would have different objectives and reasons. For instance, > I have little to no reason as an eyeball network to exchange traffic with > any other eyeball network (aside from P2P games). For a content network, > getting into the eyeball networks is their objective. > > My crystal ball tells me this thread will spiral out of control because > people won't be able to keep it on topic, but it is a question that I hear > VERY often. I also expect a lot of purely bad or outdated information to > get thrown out. > > Please try to keep it on topic and not being pedantic over relatively > unimportant details. > > There are two major low-cost providers, Cogent and HE. > > Cogent > > - Refuses to peer IPv6 with HE > - Refuses to peer IPv6 with Google > - Aggressive sales tactics > > Hurricane > > - Doesn't have Cogent IPv6 because of Cogent's refusal > - Lack of communities for anything other than blackholes > > > I know there are a variety of other providers such as Fusion Network that > operate at similar price points, but are available in way fewer locations. > > What else is out there? Anyone else that isn't 5x, 10x the cost? > > Cogent and HE get looked down upon (and sometimes deservedly so), but when > I talk to someone trying to sell me a port in 350 Cermak for 8x the cost of > Cogent and HE, you better have a very good argument for why you're worth > it... and they never do. "We're not Cogent." "and?" Many times I'm quoted > transit that costs more than Cogent + IX + HE and they don't really have a > good argument for it. > > As an eyeball, I join an IX and there goes 50% - 85% of my traffic and > almost all of my traffic that anyone is going to notice or complain about > if there are issues (video streaming). > > I do understand that enterprise eyeballs may have different requirements. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > >