Because literally every case I've seen along these lines is someone complaining about the coax connection is "only 100 meg when I pay for 200 meg". Comcast was the most hated company and yet they factually had better speeds (possibly in part to their subjectively terrible customer service) for years.
>An apartment building could have cheap 1G fiber and the houses across the street have no option but slow DSL. Where is this example? Or is this strictly hypothetical? I am not seeing any examples, anywhere, with accurate data, where it's what most consider to be in town/urban and poor speeds. The only one that was close was Jared and I'm pretty sure when I saw the map I wouldn't consider that in town (could be wrong) but again, there's gig fiber there now. I don't remember if he actually got his CLEC, or why that matters, but there's fiber there now. On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 4:05 PM Brandon Svec via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote: > What is the point of these anecdotes? Surely anyone on this list with even > a passing knowledge of the broadband landscape in the United States knows > how hit or miss it can be. An apartment building could have cheap 1G fiber > and the houses across the street have no option but slow DSL. Houses could > have reliable high speed cable internet, but the office park across the > field has no such choice because the buildout cost is prohibitively high to > get fiber, etc. > > There are plenty of places with only one or two choices of provider too. > Of course, this is literally changing by the minute as new services are > continually being added and upgraded. > *Brandon Svec* > > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:36 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > >> OK the one example you provided has gigabit fiber though. >> >> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 8:41 AM Tom Beecher <beec...@beecher.cc> wrote: >> >>> Can you provide examples? >>>> >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twe6uTwOyJo&ab_channel=NANOG >>> >>> Our good friend Jared could only get 1.5M DSL living just outside Ann >>> Arbor, MI, so he had to start his own CLEC. >>> >>> I have friends in significantly more rural areas than he lives in ( >>> Niagara and Orleans county NYS , between Niagara Falls and Rochester ) who >>> have the same 400Mb package from Spectrum that I do, living in the City of >>> Niagara Falls. >>> >>> This is not to say that rural America is a mecca of connectivity; there >>> is a long way to go all the way around regardless. But it is a direct >>> example as you asked for. >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:57 PM Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >There are plenty of urban and suburban areas in America that are far >>>> worse off from a broadband perspective than “rural America”. >>>> >>>> Can you provide examples? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:51 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > On Jun 2, 2021, at 02:10 , Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On 6/2/21 11:04, Owen DeLong wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> I disagree… If it could be forced into a standardized format using >>>>> a standardized approach to data acquisition and reliable comparable >>>>> results >>>>> across providers, it could be a very useful adjunct to real competition. >>>>> > >>>>> > If we can't even agree on what "minimum speed for U.S. broadband >>>>> connections" actually means, fat chance having a "nutritional facts" at >>>>> the >>>>> back of the "Internet in a tea cup" dropped off at your door step. >>>>> > >>>>> > I'm not saying it's not useful, I'm just saying that easily goes >>>>> down the "what color should we use for the bike shed" territory, while >>>>> people in rural America still have no or poor Internet access. >>>>> > >>>>> > Mark. >>>>> >>>>> ROFLMAO… >>>>> >>>>> People in Rural America seem to be doing just fine. Most of the ones I >>>>> know at least have GPON or better. >>>>> >>>>> Meanwhile, here in San Jose, a city that bills itself as “The Capital >>>>> of Silicon Valley”, the best I can get is Comcast (which does finally >>>>> purport to be Gig down), but rarely delivers that. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, anything involving the federal government will get the full bike >>>>> shed treatment no matter what we do. >>>>> >>>>> There are plenty of urban and suburban areas in America that are far >>>>> worse off from a broadband perspective than “rural America”. >>>>> >>>>> Owen >>>>> >>>>>