My understanding is that Russian time zones are one hour “east” of where they 
should be and that China, despite its size, is a single time zone. So this 
proposal isn’t unique. Whether it’s good is a different question…

Michael

> On 15 Mar 2022, at 15:44:46, Brian R <briansupp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for finding the clarification on this Ray.
> 
> I'm with the OP Jay that this will cause long term problems.  The 15 degrees 
> is not mentioned in the document just the change from "Standard Time" to 
> "Daylight Time" permanently (they probably don't even understand it is in 15 
> degree increments).  This will cause problems in systems across many sectors. 
>  The entire world works on UTC + or - on a 15 degree scale.  Except now the 
> US which will be 15 degree scale -15 degrees.  I doubt Canada, Central, or 
> South Americas are going to follow this so the United States will always be 
> 15 degrees off of what is considered "Standard Time" by the world.
> The better solution would be to remove DST all together and tell everyone in 
> the US to start work at 07:00 and get off work at 16:00 every day.
> 
> Brian
> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+briansupport=hotmail....@nanog.org> on behalf of 
> Ray Van Dolson via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:26 PM
> To: Mel Beckman <m...@beckman.org>; Jay R. Ashworth <j...@baylink.com>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org list <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: RE: "Permanent" DST
>  
> I think this is essentially the bill:
> 
> https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/69/text
> 
> Not finding anything about 15 degrees.
> 
> Ray
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+rvandolson=esri....@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Mel 
> Beckman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:19 PM
> To: Jay R. Ashworth <j...@baylink.com>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org list <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST
> 
> I don’t follow why cancelling DST has the effect of moving the US fifteen 
> degrees to the east. Also, your subject line reads “permanent DST”, but from 
> your language the bill will be permanent standard time. 
> 
> I haven’t read the bill, but I’m hoping you can explain your position more 
> clearly. 
> 
> -mel via cell
> 
> > On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:13 PM, Jay R. Ashworth <j...@baylink.com> wrote:
> > 
> > In a unanimous vote today, the US Senate approved a bill which would
> > 
> > 1) Cancel DST permanently, and
> > 2) Move every square inch of US territory 15 degrees to the east.
> > 
> > My opinion of this ought to be obvious from my rhetoric.  Hopefully, 
> > it will fail, because it's likely to be the end of rational time 
> > worldwide, and even if you do log in UTC, it will still make your life 
> > difficult.
> > 
> > I'm poleaxed; I can't even decide which grounds to scream about this on...
> > 
> > Hopefully, the House or the White House will be more coherent in their 
> > decision on this engineering construct.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > -- jra
> > 
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