> > I think most of the hatred towards them is unwarranted,
This is essentially saying "I've never had a problem , so I don't think it's a big deal." On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 3:19 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > Eh, different people have different opinions. > > I think most of the hatred towards them is unwarranted, > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > Midwest-IX > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Rich Compton" <[email protected]> > *To: *"Mike Hammett" <[email protected]>, "Jason Bothe" <[email protected]> > *Cc: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Thursday, December 5, 2024 2:10:47 PM > *Subject: *Re: Route optimization using GPUs? > > “I strongly recommend to turn off those BGP optimizers, glue the ports > shut, burn the hardware, and salt the grounds on which the BGP optimizer > sales people walked.” > > > > -Job Snijders > > > > https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2017-August/092131.html > > > > > > *From: *NANOG <[email protected]> on > behalf of Mike Hammett <[email protected]> > *Date: *Thursday, December 5, 2024 at 12:24 PM > *To: *Jason Bothe <[email protected]> > *Cc: *[email protected] <[email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: Route optimization using GPUs? > > IIRC, the widespread outages are the result of exporting things that > shouldn't be exported. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.ics-il.com__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!GFUnuA6qE7A0AePY8rTtMX8Ll2VP7FK-FJTDkvkdwhlRmzqhmEA7Dat58fBwUk9jdLbHKhdSYEBil7VttQ$> > > Midwest-IX > http://www.midwest-ix.com > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.midwest-ix.com__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!GFUnuA6qE7A0AePY8rTtMX8Ll2VP7FK-FJTDkvkdwhlRmzqhmEA7Dat58fBwUk9jdLbHKhdSYEAsGopkmw$> > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Jason Bothe via NANOG" <[email protected]> > *To: *"Drew Weaver" <[email protected]> > *Cc: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Thursday, December 5, 2024 11:03:39 AM > *Subject: *Re: Route optimization using GPUs? > > WIth merchant silicon getting faster and stronger everyday, and capacity > and transit in a freewill, I’m not sure what GPU optimization would buy > you, not to mention the ROI. The Internet routing table is not showing > substantial signs of growth and in some cases has experienced a plateau. > Also, the experience with ‘route optimization tools’ is that while they may > bring you some priority in your traffic, they are also known for making > horrible decisions resulting in widespread outages. > > > > J~ > > > > > > On Dec 5, 2024, at 8:13 AM, Drew Weaver <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > So back in the.. hell I don’t know like… early 2010s there was a push for > ‘route optimization’ from products like RouteScience and the Avaya CNA and > more recently whatever Noction is doing. > > > > The big pain point for this technology at the time was that it could only > optimize the top N egress routes due to how many probes it could send out > and how many results it could process. > > > > It seems like now with a modest GPU in a router you could pretty easily > ‘optimize’ [to the extent that you believe this technology worked] pretty > much the whole routing table. > > > > We used these tools extensively back then and they actually worked pretty > well in most cases. The biggest issue we ran into was people complaining > that we pinged their IP addresses… which now a days seems like a great > worst problem to have. > > > > Anyway is anyone doing any work on implementing GPUs into the BGP decision > making process? Seems like a no brainer. > > > > -Drew > > > > > >
