Dual stack is a (very) temporary solution while waiting for some others to catch
up and deploy IPv6. Contemplating dual-stack as a permanent or long-term
solution ignores the extent to which IPv4 is utterly unsustainable at this 
point.

Owen

On Mar 12, 2013, at 02:45 , kpospi...@bigpond.com wrote:

> 
> I would be concerned in strongly spruiking advantages of IPv6 to
> executives if an IPv6 dual stack solution is actually being deployed.
> (ie. some given IPv6 SS advantages below do not apply to IPv6 DS)
> 
>>      1.      Decreased application complexity:
>>                      Because we will be able to get rid of all that NAT 
>> traversal code,
>>                      we get the following benefits:
>> 
>>                      I.      Improved security
>>                              A.      Fewer code paths to test
>>                              B.      Lower complexity = less opportunity to 
>> introduce flaws
>>                      II.     Lower cost
>>                              A.      Less developer man hours maintaining 
>> (or developing) NAT traversal code
>>                              B.      Less QA time spent testing NAT 
>> traversal code
>>                              C.      No longer need to keep the lab stocked 
>> with every NAT implementation ever invented
>>                              D.      Fewer calls to support for failures in 
>> product's NAT traversal code
>>      2.      Increased transparency:
>>                      Because addressing is now end-to-end transparent, we 
>> gain a
>>                      number of benefits:
>> 
>>                      I.      Improved Security
>>                              A.      Harder for attackers to hide in 
>> anonymous address space.
>>                              B.      Easier to track down spoofing
>>                              C.      Simplified log correlation
>>                              D.      Easier to identify source/target of 
>> attacks
>>                      II.     Simplified troubleshooting
>>                              A.      No more need to include state table 
>> dumps in troubleshooting
>>                              B.      tcpdump inside and tcpdump outside 
>> contain the same packets.
>> 
> 
> 
> There are two well documented advantages to IPv6 dual stack:
> 
> - responding to customers requesting IPv6 dual stack connectivity
> - excellent access to the IPv4 network
> 
> IPv6 is a *different* network to IPv4 even if both networks happen to be
> carried on the same platforms (thank you Cisco, F5, Juniper etc -
> without this, our execs would be seriously baulking at having to replace 
> fairly
> modern hardware).
> 
> I have also noticed examples given of historic protocol changes. Not all of
> these are relevant as some of them only involved "middle" OSI layers, so
> do not apply very well to the IPv6->IPv6 transition.
> 
> 
> Greets
> Engineer Karl Pospisek (alias kpospi...@telstra.com)


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