BTW, I hope you realize that FiberStore is not a mfg. but a "Seller/broker". they have to rely on the specs provided to them from the MFG.
In the Far East, mfg, distribution, sales is organized is a slightly different manner than the West. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth McRae" <kenneth.mc...@me.com> > To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > Cc: "Rodrigo 1telecom" <rodr...@1telecom.com.br>, "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> > Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 4:01:29 PM > Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear > That's true up to a point. Specs are only as good as the entity providing the > data. I can tell you a few stories about specs and some MAJOR fails by a > major network equipment manufacturer failing to meet advertised specs. When > you engage the engineering folks to assist in a build, they should know the > true specs of their gear better than anyone else. If they say for a certain > distance that A+B will work, then that is exactly what I expect. > That is pretty basic. > On Feb 07, 2015, at 12:56 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: > > More power to you .... > > > I always get a chuckle out of statements such as ... "Compared FiberStore > > to > > another Vendor"... > > > It was pointed out to me long time ago.... when someone said.. "My Chevy is > > better than a Ford".... > > > Someone pointed out, hey, which Chevy ? the Chevette ? or the Corvette ? > > and > > Which Ford the Fiesta or Mustang ? > > > Every mfg. has a lots and lots of products, and they are always getting > > improved... > > > One has to pay attention to the specs.. even the same model products at > > different times don't have the same specs ! > > > :) > > > Faisal Imtiaz > > > Snappy Internet & Telecom > > > 7266 SW 48 Street > > > Miami, FL 33155 > > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Kenneth McRae" <kenneth.mc...@me.com> > > > > > > To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > > > > > > Cc: "Rodrigo 1telecom" <rodr...@1telecom.com.br>, "NANOG" > > > <nanog@nanog.org> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 3:49:16 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear > > > > > > That's why I engage the engineering resources on their end to make sure > > > the > > > chosen candidate will support the use case. I have now performed an A/B > > > comparison and the FiberStore gear is inferior. Excessive loss on the mux > > > and optics. > > > > > > On Feb 07, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > If you pay close attention to the Spec Sheets, on power output, > > > > insertion > > > > loss, sensitivity, and do the proper calculation for your link, then > > > > using > > > > anyone's products, passive or active will work unless the devices do > > > > not > > > > meet specified specs. > > > > > > > > > > If you don't do your homework, cals on the design, loss, and just buy > > > > stuff > > > > based on whatever, then it does not matter who the mfg. is, you are > > > > very > > > > very likely to be surprised in a bad way. > > > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > > > > > > > > > > Snappy Internet & Telecom > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Rodrigo 1telecom" < rodr...@1telecom.com.br > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: "Kenneth McRae" < kenneth.mc...@me.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: "NANOG" < nanog@nanog.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 3:24:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What others vendors do you using? Here in Brazil only PADTEC have > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > passive solution... Some days ago Digitel contact me to show your > > > > > multiplex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution... Is a active solution... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We import this from fiberstore, but i don't know others vendors to > > > > > buy > > > > > 10G > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sfp+ cwdm and this mux/demux... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enviado via iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grupo Connectoway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Em 07/02/2015, às 16:04, Kenneth McRae < kenneth.mc...@me.com > > > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Enviado, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot recommend FiberStore as I had a bad experience with them. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needed to cover only 3km from A to B side. When using 10km optics, > > > > > > I > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a loss of over 5db with their passive mux inserted into the path > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > created a total loss of over -20db which is outside of the > > > > > > tolerances > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our equipment with 10km SFP+. Using another vendors low insertion > > > > > > loss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mux corrected our issue. I am sure if you are using an 80km optic, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be able to tolerate a higher insertion loss to cover < 60km. I > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice that their CDWM optics averaged about 3db less in power > > > > > > output > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compared to other vendors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Feb 07, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Rodrigo 1telecom < > > > > > >> rodr...@1telecom.com.br > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi kenneth... which the distance do you have from side A to side B > > > > > >> when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> you using passive solutions from fiberstore( mux and demux)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I buy this mux and demux(4 channels single fiber) and only make a > > > > > >> test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> about 60km( mux side A and demux on side B) with sfp+10gb for > > > > > >> 80km... > > > > > >> ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> only see ddm on my ex3300( about -19db for 60km). Test switch > > > > > >> access > > > > > >> with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> ssh and pinging tests... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> What kind os issue do you have? For distances less than 60km is > > > > > >> this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> solution good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Enviado via iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Grupo Connectoway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Em 07/02/2015, às 14:55, Kenneth McRae < kenneth.mc...@me.com > > > > > > >>> escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Mike, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I just replaced a bunch of FiberStore WDM passive muxes with OSI > > > > > >>> Hardware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> equipment. The FiberStore gear was a huge disappointment > > > > > >>> (excessive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> loss, poor technical support, refusal to issue refund without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> threatening legal action, etc.). I have had good results from the > > > > > >>> OSI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> equipment so far. I run passive muxes for CWDM (8 - 16 channels). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Feb 07, 2015, at 09:51 AM, Manuel Marín < m...@transtelco.net > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Hi Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I can recommend a couple of vendors that provide cost effective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> solutions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Ekinops & Packetlight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Saturday, February 7, 2015, Mike Hammett < na...@ics-il.net > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I know there are various Asian vendors for low cost (less than > > > > > >>> $500) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> muxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> to throw 16 or however many colors onto a strand. However, they > > > > > >>> don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> so well when you don't control the optics used on both sides > > > > > >>> (therefore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> must use standard wavelengths), obviously only do a handful of > > > > > >>> channels > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> have a distance limitation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> What solutions are out there that don't cost an arm and a leg? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Mike Hammett > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> TRANSTELCO| Manuel Marin | VP Engineering | US: *+1 915-217-2232* > > > > > >>> | > > > > > >>> MX: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> *+52 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> 656-257-1109* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication is intended only for > > > > > >>> the > > > > > >>> use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may > > > > > >>> contain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from > > > > > >>> disclosure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> under applicable law. 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