Rafael, At some scales, the WiFi standard alone will not cut it... Research on MERUNETWORKS virtual cell tecnology. I have done a trial with them. All the others are far behind on density. Check their case studies. Em 20/06/2015 13:02, "Rafael Possamai" <raf...@gav.ufsc.br> escreveu:
> I don't think there's an actual standard for density, at least I am not > aware of one. Independent of the vendor you use, this guide should be valid > at 80% of implementations: > > > http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/wireless/aironet-1250-series/design_guide_c07-693245.html > > On Meraki's website there's a case study of an entertainment venue that has > about 2,000 users per night, so I am assuming 1,000 which is your cause > should be doable. > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 5:41 AM, Sina Owolabi <notify.s...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Thanks everybody. I've been corrected on density... I've been informed > that > > it's to be a minimum of 1000 users per building. > > That's 8,000 users. (8 buildings, not counting walkways and courtyards, > > admin, etc.) > > Does this qualify as high-density? > > > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 5:33 AM Ray Soucy <r...@maine.edu> wrote: > > > > > Well, I could certainly be wrong, but it's news to me if UBNT started > > > supporting DFS in the US. > > > > > > Your first screenshot is listing the UAP for 5240 which is channel 48, > > > U-NII-1. The second show 5825 which is the upper limit of U-NNI-3. I > > > don't see any U-NII-2 in what you posted. > > > > > > This forum post may be a bit out of date, but I haven't seen any > > > announcement or information on the forums to indicate the situation has > > > changed, and I'm pretty good at searching: > > > > > > https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Wireless/DFS/m-p/700461#M54771 > > > > > > From this thread it looks like the ability to configure DFS channels in > > the > > > US was a UI bug and only showing for ZH anyway. IIRC they actually got > > in > > > a bit of trouble with the FCC over not restricting the use of these > > > channels enough. > > > > > > Regardless of whether or not the FCC has cleared UBNT indoor products > for > > > U-NII-2 and U-NII-2-extended (and I haven't seen evidence of that yet), > > > until you can configure APs to use those channels in the controller > > without > > > violating FCC regulations I don't consider them usable. > > > > > > The UAP-AC doesn't seem to support DFS channels at all even without FCC > > > restrictions, which kind of kills the point of AC, only 4 x 40 MHz or > 2 x > > > 80 MHz channels doesn't cut it when we're talking about density. > > > > > > Note we're talking about indoor wireless and there ARE some UBNT > products > > > for outdoor WISP use that do support DFS and have been cleared by the > > FCC, > > > but we would only be looking at the UAP-PRO or UAP-AC in this case so > > maybe > > > that's the point of confusion here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < > > fai...@snappytelecom.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > FCC Cert claims different. > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > > > > Snappy Internet & Telecom > > > > 7266 SW 48 Street > > > > Miami, FL 33155 > > > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > > > > > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > > > > *To: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > > > > *Cc: *"NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org>, "Ray Soucy" <r...@maine.edu> > > > > *Sent: *Friday, June 19, 2015 9:16:37 PM > > > > > > > > *Subject: *Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless > > network > > > > setup? > > > > > > > > Uhm he's not wrong... > > > > > > > > Josh Luthman > > > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > > > 1100 Wayne St > > > > Suite 1337 > > > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Jun 19, 2015 9:13 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >>>The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they > > don't > > > >> support DFS, so the entire U-NII-2 channel space is off limits for 5 > > > GHz. > > > >> > > > >> Huh ???? > > > >> > > > >> Please verify your facts before making blanket statements which are > > not > > > >> accurate ... > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Faisal Imtiaz > > > >> Snappy Internet & Telecom > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > From: "Ray Soucy" <r...@maine.edu> > > > >> > To: "Sina Owolabi" <notify.s...@gmail.com> > > > >> > Cc: "nanog@nanog.org list" <nanog@nanog.org> > > > >> > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:07:01 PM > > > >> > Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless > > network > > > >> setup? > > > >> > > > > >> > I know you don't want to hear this answer because of cost but I've > > had > > > >> good > > > >> > luck with Cisco for very high density (about 1,000 clients in a > > packed > > > >> > auditorium actively using the network as they follow along with > the > > > >> > presenter). > > > >> > > > > >> > The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they > don't > > > >> > support DFS, so the entire U-NII-2 channel space is off limits > for 5 > > > >> GHz. > > > >> > That's pretty significant because you're limited to 9 x 20 MHz > > > channels > > > >> or > > > >> > 4 x 40 MHz channels. Keeping the power level down and creating > > small > > > >> cells > > > >> > is essential for high density, so with less channels your hands > are > > > >> really > > > >> > tied in that case. Also, avoid the Zero Handoff marketing > nonsense > > > they > > > >> > advertise; I'm sure it can work great for a low client residential > > > area > > > >> but > > > >> > it requires all APs to share a single channel and depends upon > > > >> coordinating > > > >> > only one active transmitter at a time, so it simply won't scale. > > > >> > > > > >> > I don't have experience with other vendors at large scale or high > > > >> density. > > > >> > > > > >> > I don't think what you're talking about is really high density > > anymore > > > >> > though. That's just normal coverage. Wireless is a lot more > > > >> complicated > > > >> > than selecting a vendor, though. If you know what you're doing > even > > > >> > Ubiquiti could work decently, but if you don't even a Cisco > solution > > > >> won't > > > >> > save you. You really need to be on top of surveying correctly and > > > >> having > > > >> > appropriate AP placement and channel distribution. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Sina Owolabi < > > notify.s...@gmail.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > Hi > > > >> > > > > > >> > > We are profiling equipment and design for an expected high user > > > >> density > > > >> > > network of multiple, close nit, residential/hostel units. Its > > going > > > >> to be > > > >> > > 8-10 buildings with possibly a over 1000 users at any given > time. > > > >> > > We are looking at Ruckus and Ubiquiti as options to get over the > > > high > > > >> > > number of devices we are definitely going to encounter. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > How did you do it, and what would you advise for product and > > layout? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Thanks in advance! > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > Ray Patrick Soucy > > > >> > Network Engineer > > > >> > University of Maine System > > > >> > > > > >> > T: 207-561-3526 > > > >> > F: 207-561-3531 > > > >> > > > > >> > MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network > > > >> > www.maineren.net > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ray Patrick Soucy > > > Network Engineer > > > University of Maine System > > > > > > T: 207-561-3526 > > > F: 207-561-3531 > > > > > > MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network > > > www.maineren.net > > > > > >