I care about the application layer.
ps. nice work on oxidized! On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Saku Ytti <[email protected]> wrote: > On 25 September 2015 at 16:20, Ca By <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hey, > > > I remained very disappointed in how google has gone about quic. > > > > They are dismissive of network operators concerns (quic protocol list and > > ietf), cause substantial outages, and have lost a lot of good will in the > > process > > > > Here's your post mortem: > > > > RFO: Google unilaterally deployed a non-standard protocol to our > production > > environment, driving up helpdesk calls x% > > > > After action: block udp 80/443 until production ready and standard > ratified > > use deployed. > > I find this attitude sad. Internet is about freedom. Google is using > standard IP and standard UDP over Internet, we, the network engineers > shouldn't care about application layer. Lot of companies run their own > protocols on top of TCP and UDP and there is absolutely nothing wrong > with that. Saying this shouldn't happen and if it does, those packets > should be dropped is same as saying innovation shouldn't happen. > Getting new IETF standard L4 protocol will take lot of time, and will > be much easier if we first have experience on using it, rather than > build standard and then hope it works without having actual data about > it. > > QUIC, MinimaLT and other options for new PKI based L4 protocol are > very welcome. They offer compelling benefits > - mobility, IP address is not your identity (say hello to 'mosh' like > behaviour for all applications) > - encryption for all applications > - helps with buffer bloat (BW estimation and packet pacing) > - helps with performance/congestion (packet loss estimation and FEC > for redundant data, so dropped packet can be reconstructed be > receiver) > - fixes amplification (response is smaller than request) > - helps with DoS (proof of work) (QUIC does not have this) > - low latency session establishment (Especially compared to TLS/HTTP) > > I'm sure I've omitted many others. > > > -- > ++ytti >
