On 6/14/16 1:30 PM, Matt Peterson wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Daniel Golding <dgold...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Matt is being coy, for some reason. He didn't like Dave Temkin's talk about >> IXP costs. I listened very carefully and did not hear any specific members >> or people targeted - only organizations and companies. >> > > As noted earlier in the thread, the specific presentation isn't my interest > here - I actually enjoyed the talk and agree with many of the points > stated. What made me uncomfortable was peer IXP's feeling uncomfortable and > even a college immersion participant asking "is NANOG always such a > threatening environment?".
Nothing was threatening, it was debate. Sometimes debate is heated, but that was not even heated debate. If you were offended, grow a thicker skin. You don't have a right against offense and much thought provoking discussion can be offensive to some people. I thought it was great to see some back and forth. To the college student, this was debate in it's purist form. There are no "free speech zones" here. > Organizations and companies are members of our greater community, even if > they don't technically have a membership role. At this morning's membership > meeting - it was restated that NANOG is highly dependent on sponsorships > (rarely do we see such financial contributions from individuals that would > be enough to support NANOG). It would be a shame to loose that income > source when only minor content guidelines could be made. I'd rather lose a sponsorship than restrict our debate. Censorship is evil, prior restraint is just as bad. > I'm sorry Dan, but this sort of "old boys network" attitude has gone on for > way too long in NANOG. I've already received 13 off list responses "well > said", "nicely done", "finally a reality check", etc. I'm not at all > suggesting bashing should go away, as you note - that is a paramount > feature of NANOG. Instead the question is when is it appropriate to shame > members of the industry and how do we frame that in an professional manner > (I realize you may have challenges in such a demonstration) . Oh come on, it was a small ribbing at worst. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice 727-214-2508 - Fax http://bryanfields.net