From: Michael Crapse <[email protected]> Date: Monday, January 22, 2018 at 5:27 PM To: Mark Andrews <[email protected]> Cc: Lee Howard <[email protected]>, NANOG list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Leasing /22
> Customers on ps4s and xboxes will hate you. They will always get "strict" nat, > and it's your fault not mega corporation X's fault for not releasing IPv4s Maybe. You don’t have to configure strict NAT on your translator (DS-Lite’s pretty good at this, and although I’m a few weeks away from testing consoles through 464xlat and MAP, they should work, too). And their NAT workarounds are pretty sophisticated now. There comes a point when winning your customers’ love isn’t profitable. I don’t know if that point is $16/address for you, or $30, or $40, or $90. Maybe it varies, depending on the customer. That’s why I suggested in “TCO of CGN”[1] that everyone figure out for themselves how much money you might lose to unhappy customers via CGN, and compare it to how much addresses cost, and at what price point you might turn around and sell addresses. My findings then, based on assumptions that almost certainly are not true for any particular network, and which may have changed, suggest that buying addresses still makes sense. Lee [1] http://ipv6.nanog.org/meetings/abstract?id=2025 > > On 22 January 2018 at 15:23, Mark Andrews <[email protected]> wrote: >> Add to that CGN from RFC 6598 addresses (100.64/10) + IPv6 though that >> reaches its limit at ~4M customers. >> >> Native IPv4 with a GUA to customers is essentially unavailable for new >> ISPs. It’s a matter of picking which flavour of NAT you and your >> customers are going to use. The sooner ALL ISP’s provide IPv6 to their >> customers the sooner we restore delivering the Internet to the customers. >> >> Mark >> >>> > On 23 Jan 2018, at 9:05 am, Lee Howard <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > IPv6 still solves your problem if you add any of NAT64, DS-Lite, 464xlat, >>> > MAP-T, MAP-E. >>> > >>> > Yes, you’re NATing, but only the traffic to places like Hulu, and it will >>> > decrease over time. And while you need addresses for the outside of the >>> > translator, you don’t need as many (or to get more as frequently). >>> > >>> > Lee >>> > >>> > On 1/20/18, 10:20 AM, "NANOG on behalf of Mike Hammett" >>> > <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>>> >> It's not really scraping the bottom of the barrel if your customers are >>>> >> using Hulu and they're complaining because Hulu isn't responsive to >>>> >> fixing their problems (geo-location, v6, etc.). >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ----- >>>> >> Mike Hammett >>>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> >> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >> >>>> >> Midwest-IX >>>> >> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>>> >> >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> >>>> >> From: "Ca By" <[email protected]> >>>> >> To: "Michael Crapse" <[email protected]> >>>> >> Cc: "NANOG list" <[email protected]> >>>> >> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 9:54:23 PM >>>> >> Subject: Re: Leasing /22 >>>> >> >>>> >> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:48 PM Michael Crapse <[email protected]> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>>> >>> Has Hulu, or a thousand other content distributors considered IPv6? >>>>> >>> Because >>>>> >>> you can't even tunnel to ipv4 without setting off VPN alarms with >>>>> HULU. >>>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> Hulu? Really scraping the bottom of the barrel of content providers that >>>> >> dont use ipv6 these days. >>>> >> >>>> >> Netflix and Youtube support v6 ... and thousand of others (thousands >>>> just >>>> >> on Cloudflare where v6 is default on) >>>> >> >>>> >> About 80% of my traffic is native e2e v6, mostly google / youtube / fb / >>>> >> netflix / apple / amazon — but your mix may vary. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On 19 January 2018 at 18:38, Andrew Kirch <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 4:59 PM Ryan Gard <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> We're on the hunt yet again for an additional /22 to lease, and are >>>>>>> >>>>> wondering what the best options are out there? >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> Our usual suspects that we've reached out to in the past seem to be >>>>> >>> plum >>>>>>> >>>>> out... Any recommendations? >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>> Ryan Gard >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> Have you considered IPv6? >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> > >>> > >> >> -- >> Mark Andrews, ISC >> 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia >> PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 <tel:%2B61%202%209871%204742> INTERNET: >> [email protected] >> >
