As long as you understand that vendor diversity doesn't imply route diversity.
Diversity within a given vendor is still subject to the same chassis, the same
automation platform, the same billing department, etc.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Mehmet Akcin" <meh...@akcin.net>
To: "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net>
Cc: "Ben Cannon" <b...@6by7.net>, "nanog" <nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 2:51:38 PM
Subject: Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)
Back to main discussion....
How do we choose the best transport?
One question, how much people care about vendor diversity? I do and did care. I
don’t want to put all my eggs in one basket. Do you care? Thank you
Mehmet
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 11:30 Mike Hammett < na...@ics-il.net > wrote:
I haven't.
Sure, but the equipment still does smaller channels. Going to 100G or 400G for
just over 10G seems silly.
If Equinix had reasonable cross connects, I'd just LAG 10Gs. The cost of a pair
of Equinix cross connects isn't much less than the 10G wave. Thankfully I'm
only in one datacenter with such a ridiculous model.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Ben Cannon" < b...@6by7.net >
To: "Mike Hammett" < na...@ics-il.net >
Cc: "Luke Guillory" < lguill...@reservetele.com >, "nanog" < nanog@nanog.org >
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 1:27:21 PM
Subject: Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)
Mike have you looked at Packetlight? Long-haul is mostly jumping to 100 or even
400g coherent.
-Ben
On Dec 15, 2018, at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett < na...@ics-il.net > wrote:
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FS had one, but it's not on their site anymore.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Luke Guillory" < lguill...@reservetele.com >
To: "Mike Hammett" < na...@ics-il.net >
Cc: "Eric Dugas" < edu...@unknowndevice.ca >, "nanog" < nanog@nanog.org >
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 10:52:19 AM
Subject: Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)
No cost affective 10x10G to 100G muxponder?
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 15, 2018, at 4:46 AM, Mike Hammett < na...@ics-il.net > wrote:
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heh, cross connects are indeed a major issue. I have a need for > 10G
transport. My equipment supports 40G. The carriers aren't terribly interested
in doing 40G transport (at least not at a reasonable price, one quote was over
4x a 10G). 100G-capable switches cost too much. Equinix charges as much for a
pair of cross connects as a 10G wave. Carriers aren't likely to be interested
in using bidi optics or passive WDM to overcome the ridiculous cross connect
charges.
This all complicates how one chooses transport. There's no easy path forward.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Eric Dugas" < edu...@unknowndevice.ca >
To: "Mehmet Akcin" < meh...@akcin.net >
Cc: "nanog" < nanog@nanog.org >
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 11:42:53 AM
Subject: Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)
I also look at hand-off locations (as long as it doesn't compromise the overall
robustness of the design).
Most providers will be able to hand-off in the BMMR of a carrier hotel and some
will have the flexibility to hand-off in particular suites within the same
building or other locations near where the cross-connects fees are lower. I've
seen cross-connect fees between $50 up to $750 MRC so if you need multiple
wavelengths (for capacity), the cross-connect fees are going to make a huge
difference on the total MRC.
Eric
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On Dec 14 2018, at 12:17 pm, Mehmet Akcin < meh...@akcin.net > wrote:
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Thank you everyone incredible amounts of responses for my how to choose a
transit provider smail earlier.
How do you choose transport & backbone?
Looking at key aspects like route information, diversity, aerial vs under
ground fiber, age of fiber, outage history, length, but what else?
I will get both transport and transit as two seperate blogs.
I will also submit as a nanog paper for the meeting after next, or maybe next?
I am probably too late by now.
Thank you for all your help. I will add your names to the thank you line ;-)
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Mehmet
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