Guess we should have something similar to the Ant uptodate task
(http://ant.apache.org/manual-1.6beta/CoreTasks/uptodate.html) ...
would indeed be great if we could get rid of <ifnot> as well ... I always
found the <if> and <ifnot> tasks horrible constructs ...
Gert
PS. Sorry if I sometimes sound negative about expression support ... I
really like and appreciate what you've done so far, but I just want to be
sure we're doing the right thing and not let you guys get carried away in
your enthousiasm too fast :-) But I agree that its really exciting stuff,
and I hope to find time soon enough to dive in as well ...
----- Original Message -----
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> Ok. Should we do something with uptodatefile before the merge? If we do
so,
> we can deprecate <ifnot> as well.
>
> Jarek
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian MacLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Jaroslaw Kowalski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Gert Driesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "William E Caputo"
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>
>
> > Sounds good to me.
> >
> > Ian
> > Jaroslaw Kowalski wrote:
> >
> > >Should I add Deprecated attribute to "propertyexists", "propertytrue"
and
> > >"taskexists" in EE-patches?
> > >
> > >Jarek
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Ian MacLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: "Jaroslaw Kowalski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Cc: "Gert Driesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "William E Caputo"
> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Nant-Developers (E-Mail)"
> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:57 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [nant-dev] SUBMISSION: Path Task
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>+1 on the if task refactoring. I'm not sure about removing <sysinfo>
> > >>though. I realize that a getenv() function would provide equivalent
> > >>functionality, however I like the fact that I just need to do
> > >><sysinfo/>
> > >>and then I have access to the environment block without having to call
> > >>any more functions. Maybe I have just a fondness for the current way
of
> > >>doing it. :)
> > >>
> > >>Ian
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Jaroslaw Kowalski wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>>Tasks should offer functionality on a much higher level than
functions
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >...
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>Here's my dream about NAnt:
> > >>>
> > >>>1. Tasks should actually DO something. That "something" is: compile,
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >create,
> > >
> > >
> > >>>delete, XSL transform, update from cvs, send email, run unit tests,
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >install,
> > >
> > >
> > >>>uninstall, start/stop services, start/kill processes,
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >compress/decompress.
> > >
> > >
> > >>>There'are actually some tasks that do nothing like that, but they
> direct
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >the
> > >
> > >
> > >>>build process:
> > >>>
> > >>><call>
> > >>><description>
> > >>><fail>
> > >>><if>
> > >>><ifnot>
> > >>><include>
> > >>><loadtasks>
> > >>><nant>
> > >>><property>
> > >>><script>
> > >>>
> > >>>These should be definitely kept.
> > >>>
> > >>>2. I would consider removing any task that is neither used to direct
> the
> > >>>build process nor noes "something" - as described above.
> > >>>My candidates for removal are:
> > >>>
> > >>><sysinfo>
> > >>><tstamp>
> > >>><available>
> > >>>
> > >>>3. I'm also thinking about removing:
> > >>>
> > >>><readregistry> (maybe not, because it can be used to read many
> values
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >at
> > >
> > >
> > >>>once)
> > >>><xmlpeek> (maybe not, because it's a nice pair to <xmlpoke>)
> > >>>
> > >>>4. I also think that <if> should be restructured to include only
"test"
> > >>>attribute.
> > >>>
> > >>><if propertytrue="aaaa" /> would become <if test="${aaaa}" />
> > >>><if propertyexists="aaaa" /> would become <if
> > >>>test=${nant::property-exists('aaaa')}" />
> > >>><if targetexists="aaaa" /> would become <if
> > >>>test=${nant::target-exists('aaaa')}" />
> > >>>
> > >>><ifnot> should be eliminated, because you can always write "not" in
> > >>>expressions.
> > >>>
> > >>>So:
> > >>>
> > >>><ifnot propertytrue="aaaa"/> would become <if test="${not aaaa}" />
> > >>><ifnot propertyexists="aaaa"/> would become <if test="${not
> > >>>nant::property-exists('aaaa')}" />
> > >>><ifnot targetexists="aaaa"/> would become <if test="${not
> > >>>nant::target-exists('aaaa')}" />
> > >>>
> > >>>5. There's a problem with "uptodatefile", but I think this should go
> into
> > >>>another task or a function. Like:
> > >>>
> > >>><check-up-to-date property="">
> > >>> <target-files>
> > >>> <includes name="..." />
> > >>> </target-files>
> > >>> <source-files>
> > >>> <includes name="..." />
> > >>> </source-files>
> > >>></check-up-to-date>
> > >>>
> > >>>A function that would be useful for single-file to single-file
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >comparison:
> > >
> > >
> > >>><if test="${file::is-newer-than('file1','file2')}" />
> > >>>
> > >>>6. With these changes we'd have an <if> task that would be clean and
> we'd
> > >>>get rid of <sysinfo>, <tstamp>, <available>
> > >>>
> > >>>7. All above syntax changes could be done automatically with the help
> of
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >a
> > >
> > >
> > >>>simple XSLT file that would rewrite buildfiles.
> > >>>
> > >>>Jarek
> > >>>
> > >>>
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