:-) Well. I think the separate assemblies are worth of discussion. For example, my recently proposed <net-transfer> task (which could http/webdav post some file into remote server). If I could simply make some output (say NAnt.Contrib.NetTransfer.dll) and share it somewhere, anyone could download it. If we provide dedicated forum, we could share thoughts about it, etc, making feedback to further improving the task.
Today, asmins have to merge my code into nantcontrib project, which takes their efforts and time. And there are plenty of reasons they could reject the task completely which prolongs life cycle. [in this particular case, nothing happens up to now, but maybe I'm not in nant-contrib forum]. I think this "extensions" model could give some light to whole project. I agree with Gert, that core is pretty stable, so we could mark it as 1.0 and leave it as is, changing only extensions. But it could take some time for setuping websites, forums, discussions, download areas, ... Alternativelly we could setup every extension project as completely new sourceforge project, but it sounds ugly to me... Also from user perspective (since we are all nant users after all): - I personally perfere to download small assembly, copy it into nant/bin folder and use new task - I don't like to have nant.contib.tasks.dll with bunch of external dependencies with lot of fancy tasks of variying matureness - I could download just those tasks, I want to use - If task is mature enough and merged into core, I just delete "old" task assembly and I'm ready to use new one! Martin Aliger > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jay Flowers > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:46 PM > To: Shmarya Rubenstein > Cc: nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net; Gert Driesen > Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Nant contributions or where nant is going? > > bleh? > > On 7/4/06, Shmarya Rubenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > bleh.... > > > > > > On 7/4/06, Jay Flowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We could use ILMerge.exe to merge separate project outputs in the > > > build process so that we get the best of both worlds. > > > > > > On 7/4/06, Gert Driesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Shmarya, > > > > > > > > This is actually something that needs further > discussion. Right > > > > now, NAntContrib consists of a single "extension" assembly > > > > (NAnt.Contrib.Tasks.dll ). > > > > > > > > This approach makes it easier for users to deploy and reference > > > > the NAntContrib extensions, but introduces issues when > we want to > > > > allow > > building > > > > NAntContrib on Mono, as COM interop (for example) is > not available > > > > on > > Mono. > > > > > > > > Splitting up the NAntContrib extension assembly into smaller > > > > assemblies would be an option for this. The NAntContrib build > > > > process would then > > just > > > > skip the build of some of these assemblies, depending on the > > > > target framework (and/or platform). Ofcourse, creating > a separate > > > > extension assembly for each task that relies on a third party > > > > library would become unmanagable (for both us and build > authors). > > > > > > > > We'll first have to inform/consult the NAntContrib > users, and then > > > > agree > > on > > > > how exactly, if at all, this split-up will be done. > > > > > > > > About the <nunit2> task: one option would be to move > the <nunit2> > > > > task > > to > > > > NUNit cvs. But this needs more thought. Perhaps we should > > > > introduce an <nunit-console> task that would just be a > wrapper for > > > > nunit-console. The advantage of this task would be that we can > > > > allow unit tests to run on > > the > > > > active target framework. > > > > > > > > eg. even when running NAnt on MS.NET 2.0, we'd be able > to support > > running > > > > unit tests on MS.NET 1.0. > > > > > > > > This can ofcourse not be achieved when using the NUNit API. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gert > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Shmarya Rubenstein > > > > To: Gert Driesen > > > > Cc: nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 11:34 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Nant contributions or where > nant is going? > > > > > > > > Hi Gert... > > > > > > > > If you want, I can fold the Telnet code into the > Nant.Telnet assembly. > > This > > > > will get rid of the extra dependency.... > > > > > > > > I can create a patch, do you want udiff? > > > > > > > > I'm very familiar with cvs. BTW: I am one of the developers on > > > > NUnit, > > and > > > > I'd also like to take a look at updating the NUnit task.... > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Shmarya > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/4/06, Gert Driesen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shmarya, > > > > > > > > > > I did have a look at the task you submitted, but I > was hesitant > > > > > to add > > it > > > > to NAntContrib back then, as it does add another external > > > > dependency > > (telnet > > > > library). But for NAntContrib this is not really an > issue, I guess. > > > > > > > > > > Would you be willing to create a patch against > NAntContrib cvs ? > > > > > If > > the > > > > patch checks out fine, I'll either commit it myself or give you > > permissions > > > > to commit it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > Are you familiar with cvs ? > > > > > > > > > > Gert > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Shmarya Rubenstein > > > > > To: Gert Driesen > > > > > Cc: nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 11:22 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Nant contributions or where > nant is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suggestion: > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you give a list of open issues that are up > for grabs > > > > > and let > > > > people pick something to try? > > > > > > > > > > PS: I tried to submit a task to nant-contrib a while back > > > > > (telnet > > task) > > > > and got zero response after a number of mails to the lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/3/06, Gert Driesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > [mailto: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Flex > > > > > > > Sent: maandag 3 juli 2006 11:10 > > > > > > > To: Gert Driesen; > > > > nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Nant contributions or > where nant is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, thanks for the answer, I was about to get > desperate ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you clear this one: > > > > > > > > We definitely have a lack of contributors. With this I'm > > > > > > > not talking about > > > > > > > > people that post new tasks, but we need developers & > > > > > > > designers for improving > > > > > > > > the NAnt core. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NAnt core is indeed pretty stable, but it could > always do > > > > > > > > with > > some > > > > > > > > performance improvements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... first one says core needs work, tasks later, > while the > > > > > > > second - core is ready, only some optimizations left? IMO > > > > > > > getting the system rich in functionality is more > important > > > > > > > than letting the build finish > > > > > > > 2 seconds > > > > > > > earlier. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not saying that new tasks cannot be added, but > they should > > > > > > first > > be > > > > > > added to NAntContrib. > > > > > > > > > > > > I just think that there's less need for task developers (as > > > > > > users > > tend > > > > to > > > > > > contribute these), but we need more developers that > master the > > > > > > NAnt > > core > > > > > > source code, so we can kill some of the open bugs > and improve > > > > > > in > > areas > > > > where > > > > > > we currently only offer poor solutions (eg. lack of input > > > > > > framework, > > bad > > > > XML > > > > > > schema generation, ...). > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, we never reject an offer for help: if you're more > > interested > > > > in > > > > > > developing new tasks, then we'd be glad to accept you as > > > > > > developer > > for > > > > the > > > > > > NAntContrib project (to start from). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're definitely not gonna get hanged. We > welcome all feedback! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you volunteering to become part of the > NAntContrib team ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are, first start by submitting patches to the > > > > > > > NAntContrib developer > > > > > > > > list for review. If your patches meet our quality level, > > > > > > > we'll make you a > > > > > > > > member of the project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After that, you can dive into the NAnt codebase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have used nant as an excuse to start C# programming, > > > > > > > always wanted to gather some experience in it, > but haven't > > > > > > > found the right project > > to > > > > > > > work on. So I'm complete newbie, C# knowledge for 2 days, > > > > > > > and no matter how much I pay attention to write > clean code, > > > > > > > I'm sure it is far > > from > > > > > > > good at this point, so unless I get more > experienced it is > > > > > > > best not to mess with the core. > > > > > > > While I may not be worth for a member of nant-contrib > > > > > > > because I'm overloaded with projects and deadlines, I'm > > > > > > > completely open to submitting new/modified tasks to > > > > > > > nant-contrib, > > > > > > > > > > > > That would be great. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do what I > > > > > > > need and can > > > > > > > submit with a hope it will be useful for the rest too. 2 > > > > > > > things bothers me here: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. The personal opinion of what is good. For example I'm > > > > > > > doing some task with 3 attributes, okay I make it > exactly as > > > > > > > I need it and submit. If it is accepted, it will > become part > > > > > > > of the nant-contrib. > > > > > > > However, since the > > > > > > > tasks fills my needs, to become useful to the public it > > > > > > > needs attrib 1 to be changed to accept different > values and > > > > > > > 2 more to be added. > > This > > > > > > > leads to deprecated attribute at best which is > not good. At > > > > > > > worse, the whole task has to be redesigned to > have the same > > > > > > > or better functionality while suits the others too. Idea: > > > > > > > board where users can discuss > > new > > > > > > > tasks or task enchantments so they can be made right from > > > > > > > the > > first > > > > > > > time? Mailing lists are quite bad for this purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > I prefer reaching a large audience, as changes > often impact a > > > > > > large > > > > number > > > > > > of users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is good and bad for nant-contrib, i.e. > will <taskX> > > > > > > > be accepted? > > > > > > > For example I saw no UI tasks anywhere, nothing but a > > > > > > > commandline. Since I'm converting my build > systems (based of > > > > > > > bat files & support > > > > > > > programs) > > > > > > > I miss some stuff, i.e. warning messages which I > can choose > > > > > > > to ignore or stop the build, a nice UI with some project > > > > > > > information giving me > > the > > > > > > > possibility to alter some settings and select the way it > > > > > > > should go from there, etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > There's (almost) no limit to the types of tasks that are > > > > > > accepted > > for > > > > > > NAntContrib. > > > > > > > > > > > > Criteria for NAnt are much stricter, but not > clearly outlined. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web > > > > > > services, > > > > security? > > > > > > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated > technology to make > > > > > > your > > job > > > > easier > > > > > > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on > > > > > > Apache > > > > Geronimo > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=1216 > > 42 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > nant-developers mailing list > > > > > > nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Shmarya > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://idp.shmarya.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web > services, > > security? > > > > > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make > > > > > your job > > > > easier > > > > > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on > > > > > Apache > > Geronimo > > > > > > > > > > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=1216 > > 42 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > nant-developers mailing list > > > > > nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Shmarya > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://idp.shmarya.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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Need to support web services, > > security? > > > > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology > to make your > > > > job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server > v.1.0.1 based > > > > on Apache > > Geronimo > > > > > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=1216 > > 42 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > nant-developers mailing list > > > > nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jay Flowers > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > http://jayflowers.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Shmarya > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://idp.shmarya.net > > > -- > Jay Flowers > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://jayflowers.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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