Hi Brian and James,

On Jan 26, 2009, at 4:39 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

James,

On 2009-01-25 13:29, james woodyatt wrote:
...
While SHIM6 is complicated, I would say that its main detraction as an
alternative to NAT66 is that it doesn't have a very good incremental
deployment story.  It is, however, not the only way to design a shim
layer aimed at giving us multi-homing and provider independence.  I
suspect there are better ways to address that problem, which would still require updates to existing IPv6 node implementations while allowing for
a more incremental deployment than SHIM6 does.

I'd be interested to see a proof of concept that this can be done. There was quite a lot of discussion of alternative approaches before the shim6
direction was chosen, reflected in RFC 4177, 4218 and 4219.

Does one of you want to write a draft about how an enterprise network could achieve address independence using SHIM6 and present it at the BOF as an alternative solution to this problem? I am not fully up-to- date on the shim6 work, and I don't think I understand how it would provide address independence.

In case we have a terminology issue... I would define address independence as:

- The IP addresses in use inside the local network (for nodes, ACLs, logs) do not need to be renumbered if the ISP changes a site's external address prefix. - The IP addresses in use inside the local network (for nodes, ACLs, logs) do not need to be renumbered when a site changes ISPs. - It is not necessary for an administrator to convince an ISP to route his or her internal addresses.

Margaret



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