> Keith,
> 
> A complete comparison would include that, if you have a NAT66, having it 
> stateful provides *more* privacy to users, and provides topology hiding.

true, but there are better ways than NAT of discouraging address tracking.

a stateless NAT can still hide topology.  nothing says that a stateless mapping 
has to be one where the prefix bits in the internal address have to be a fixed 
offset from those in the external address.  you could generate an 
invertable/stateless mapping by encrypting/decrypting those bits with a 
constant key and symmetric cipher.  the mapping would still be stateless, but 
the externally visible addresses would have an apparently random relationship 
with the internal addresses.  

> Besides, until a convincing scenario showing that, where IPv6 FWs are 
> available, the pros of any NAT66 outweighs the cons, I keep doubts that 
> deploying NAT66 is a good choice. 

I share those doubts.  But it's hard for every email message about the topic to 
encompass the entire range of concerns that necessarily weigh into this 
discussion.

> Yet, if some *users* have firm plans to deploy NAT66 anyway, some with 
> stateful NATs, some with stateless NATs, that's up to them.
> Under this assumption, their wish to standardize theses NATs is obviously 
> legitimate.

strongly disagree.  the desire to standardize mechanisms that are known to do 
harm to applications is not legitimate.  nor is this consistent with 
long-established IETF standardization criteria.

Keith

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