I think all the Technology PMC wants to see from Nebula is this: 1) Get the project conforming to the IP Incubation process
http://wiki.eclipse.org/Development_Resources/HOWTO/Conforming_Incubation_Branding 2) Have public builds available for people to consume via some automated build system (we can look at using the CBI when it becomes available in a few weeks) 3) Increase participation and build community I'm OK with having each widget be a sub-project of Nebula with its own leadership and direction. If everyone is OK with Tom becoming a co-project lead with Chris Gross, the PMC will go ahead with that decision. On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:55 AM, Emil Crumhorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I agree as well. I should know, I have 3 widgets in Nebula, probably more > than anyone. I didn't join before I was sure that I wouldn't have to spend > time fixing bugs/making improvements except on my own time, and that time is > sporadic. I have weeks where I do nothing else, and I have weeks where I do > nothing (lately the case, work is just too busy). I do have a rough idea of > where my widgets are going, but I can't say "next month this feature will be > done", it's just not possible. They tend to be implemented due to demand or > via long chat sessions over AIM/Skype where someone says "can't it do this?" > and say "let me see", and I go change code to make it happen. > > A problem I find with the entire project is that I never get a feel for > what Eclipse wants from Nebula, or what Nebula wants from Eclipse. It feels > pretty obvious the widgets will never go into SWT regardless of > stability/maturity/quality, so that clause should probably get taken out if > that's the case. I think the project is fine as a standalone project, but > then the question comes "what does it take for the widgets to reach the next > level?", and what is the next level? Is it simply getting rid of the Alpha > tag that has sat on these projects since the beginning? I don't know. I also > find it very hard to give users a concrete answer when they ask if they can > contribute. Telling them to go file a bug and attach the code feels rather > "weak", but at the same time telling them to send it to me and I'll > incorporate it also feels like they don't get the credit they deserve. And > at the same time, if there's a widget that's very non-active, where the lead > hasn't made a sound in ages, and I have a good fix for it, what do I do? I > also have a full glazed-lists framework implementation for the Grid that > makes sorting, filtering, state-saving etc etc almost magic in how easy it > is to use.. but that can't ever go in as it contains a third party plugin > (the glazed lists), so where does it go? There's a bunch of questions like > that in my head. > > In any case, I would [personally] like to see the project have some sort of > direction. There's some really good stuff in the Nebula project, stuff > people "need" for their [serious] projects. Nebula is basically taking SWT > into the area where people can really use it because there are programmers > who are making important widgets that aren't covered in the Eclipse > packages. I would have been rather lost right now without the formatted text > widget, the grid, my calendarcombo, gantt chart, etc which I've used in > numerous heavyweight customer projects, without more than small glitches > here and there. > > If Tom wants to take the reigns, he gets my full support. I do worry about > you though Tom, you put so much on your plate! :) > > Emil > > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Peter Centgraf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> I agree with Tom's assessment. Each Nebula widget is effectively its >> own small, independent project with separate committers. None of the >> projects has a full-time dedicated resource, so progress happens in fits and >> starts in a very unpredictable fashion. A release plan would be very >> difficult to coordinate across all of the projects. >> >> Frankly, I don't know if any of us are willing to devote the time it would >> take to go from "good enough" to "high quality". Is the Eclipse Foundation >> willing to tolerate this state of affairs indefinitely? I think there's a >> lot of valuable work here, even though the projects aren't very active. >> >> P.S. I would welcome Tom as a new project lead. The more the merrier. >> >> -- >> Peter >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nebula-dev mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nebula-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > -- Cheers, ~ Chris Aniszczyk
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