When I say 'government', I am refering to them in their present role 
worldwide. Government = force! If you consider a group of people 
making voluntary agreements as being government, then yes, we have 
one! Our law is to abide by natural laws, which can be summed up as 
the noninitiation of force! Other laws are biased manmade or 
religious laws. God had given man free will; and man has been trying 
to overrule His decission for thousands of years! Spirituality is 
also very important to me! I obey biblical laws because I am so very 
greatful having been given the gift of life that I wish to please 
God! God has given everyone a sense of natural laws. I, for one, am 
not going to attempt to overrule His free will decission!
 Will there be disagreements? Of course! That is human nature, and 
having a forceful government as a remedy is a proven failure!
Bman
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Coalbunny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wrong.  Ever since Adam and Eve was bouncing around, there has been 
> government.  Keep in mind what God said about the apple tree.  They 
> could do anything else, but they still had A restriction.  No 
munching 
> on the fruit from the tree.  Or....?  Or else WHAT?
> 
> If you look into the finer details of what can be considered 
> government, you'll soon realize that even an anarchist family is a 
> form of government.  Government=to govern, am I wrong on that?
> Carl
> 
> 
> zygodactyl01 wrote:
> 
> > 
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Coalbunny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >  > There will always be some form of government.  Even if it's
> > everyone
> >  > in the group voting.  It is still some form of government.  As 
much
> > as
> >  > the anarchists claom, mankind always had some form of 
government
> > and
> >  > always will.  Nothing wrong with government or leadership, 
provided
> >  > it's done honestly and with merit.
> >  > Carl
> > 
> > In the Old Testament, man was without government for thousands of
> > years. Read 1 Samuel 8, and imagine how very different todays 
world
> > and Bible would be had those people made the right decission. 
Notice
> > that Samuel, a spiritual leader and a judge, does not force his
> > people into compliance with his wishes like a government judge 
would
> > have done.
> > The government that we will not have is a forceful one. Groups do
> > not have the right to force anyone to do anything, including 
spending
> > his money. Our only rule is not to initiate force. This covers
> > natural law. Of course, we are allowed to protect ourselves.
> > There is no such thing as an honest government as it exists today.
> > They always rob their people at implied gunpoint!
> > Churches don't force donations from members, and just look at all 
of
> > those nice buildings. Donations work. We will pass the plate for 
some
> > things.
> > People who don't like our idea are free to stay here.
> > Bman
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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over 
> there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job 
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