Alas,  yet another person who misunderstands open source and it's authors. 
First, let me say, there is a lot of crap in the open source world, almost as 
much as in the shareware world. Just check out sourceforge.net to see a 
sample. For reference, I write my share of open source code. I just have 
enough pride not to  publish my crappier code.

With that said, a vast majority of apps people have written is because THEY 
have a need and THEY write their own solution. They know what;'s needed. Two 
areas where they fall down, first is that most applications like a CAD program 
is way more than a single individual can conquer. The second is that not every 
programmer is the best User Interface expert.

I like PCB. IT WORKS QUITE WELL! Granted it the board gets too complex, I can 
see where it would fall down, maybe. I did Nixieneon using gEDA PCB. I tried 
Eagle and there was no way I was going to be able to place the 60 neon bulbs 
and their 3 associated components in the rings like they were needed with that 
tool!  I suspect if I just needed the parts on the board and let it do the 
routing, life would be good.

Where I most like PCB is that I don't need a schematic to make a board. I find 
that I can layout the circuit on the board, then create the schematic after 
the fact. The board layout is just a bazaar form of a schematic.

For reference, I'm thoroughly disgusted with the current crop of low cost CAD 
programs. If anyone is a good C++ programmer interested in helping me at least 
investigate what it will take to write one with me, please let me know. I am 
very well versed with the Qt toolkit.

And for reference, I use a programmers editor (CRiSP, what Brief should've 
become) and Makefiles, not no stinkin' IDEs when I write code. Now my stance 
on PCB should make more sense!  ;)

-joe




On Saturday 11 September 2010 23:38:42 figureloop wrote:
> On Sep 11, 7:30 pm, NeonJohn <[email protected]> wrote:
> > It was one of the worst piles of steaming ..... that I looked at.  gEDA
> > is not a tool set.  It is a collection of disparate programs written by
> > different authors and linked together with command line format
> > conversion programs.
> 
> A typical open source program written by developers for developers.
> They simply don't understand users, which simply want a tool that
> works.  And are often willing to pay for a good one to boot.
> 
> > That was another one that I really wanted to work because I support GNU
> > and because of the hype from the True Believers (TM).
> 
> All of the workhorse software that makes my career function has to be
> paid for.  Even Linux would be unuseable save for the value added by
> the distributors.  For which they deserve to get paid.  LTspice is a
> special case.  Free for me, but of course it's development cost is
> subsidized by LTC.
> [edit]
> 
> > I'll have to admit that I went into the project with a chip on my
> > shoulder for Eagle because of its unorthodox user interface.  I had
> > casually tried it several times before and hated it.
> > 
> > But like the other tools, my test was to actually enter the schematic
> > for a real product and lay out a board.  By the time I got through I
> > realized just how well we were working together, Eagle and me.  Enough
> > that I popped for the package out of my own pocket.
> 
> Since I've only ever used Eagle on Linux, where there is just no
> standard of UI behavior whatsoever, I've never noticed anything funny
> about Eagle.
> 
> > Eagle has some warts.  There are lots of errors in the footprint
> > libraries, especially those supplied by part vendors.  Apparently no one
> > at Eagle checks the part before it is incorporated into the library.  My
> > habit is now to check each new footprint in the footprint editor before
> > I lay it down on a board.  Someone wrote a program to convert all the
> > Eagle libraries to KiCAD libraries so be aware that the same problems
> > exist there.  Silly stuff like no solder mask on one side or the other.
> >  Stuff like that.
> 
> Yes, be careful with part libs!
> 
> > I REALLY hated to have to go with a pay package, both because of the
> > nick to my wallet as well as my support for Open Source software.
> > 
> > John
> 
> I don't mind paying for good software.

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